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RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?


From: Nathan Eisenberg <nathan () atlasnetworks us>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:05:00 +0000

It's a matter of viewpoint. It's convenient to talk about net-neutrality when it's
scoped, but not when we widen the scope. Customer A gets better service than
Customer B because he want to a site that had prioritization. Never mind that
while they fight over the saturated link, Customer C beat both of them because
he was on a separate segment that wasn't saturated. All 3 paid the same
amount of money. C > A > B, yet C doesn't fall into this net-neutrality
discussion, and the provider, who wants to keep customers, has more C
customers than A, and more A customers than B, so B is the most expendable.

It's convenient to talk about NN when we're talking about NN, and not about the ethical implications of peering with 
Comcast but not with ATT.  There are things that NN is, and there are things that it isn't.  There are a good deal of 
ethical and emotional issues involved, and while they're interesting to opine about, they're difficult to successfully 
argue.

However, from a purely technical perspective, your above example illustrates my point.  Customer A and B both lose.  
Why?  Because prioritization and destination based discrimination are not real solutions.  Capacity is.  Customer A and 
B have saturation and discrimination.  Customer C has capacity.  Want to keep A and B (and your reputation)?  Add 
capacity.

My viewpoint is that of an ISP, and as such, I think of net-neutrality at a level
above some last mile that's saturated at some other ISP.

I have the same point of view but it appears that we disagree anyways.  It must be the case that the perspective does 
not define the opinion.  Appreciated the thinly veiled appeal to authority, though.

Capacity is cheap.  Discriminatory traffic management for-profit is a fantastically expensive way of killing off your 
customer base in exchange for short-term revenue opportunities.

You MUST construct additional pylons, or the guy that does WILL take your customers.

Nathan



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