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Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses)
From: Jack Bates <jbates () brightok net>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:55:48 -0500
On 10/21/2010 8:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
I don't think it's really a propagation issue. As the ISP, I don't actually route RFC-1918 space to my corporate customers, many of which maintain static assignments (no routing protocol). While they can leak packets out, there will never be a return of packets to them. They view this as a feature.The tragedy won't be networks deploying NAT. I'm all for allowing you to buyGiven the number of times and the distance over which I have seen RFC-1918 routes propagate, this belief is false to begin with, so, removing this false sense of security is not necessarily a bad thing.
a gun, ammunition, and aim at your foot or head as you wish. The tragedy will be if enough networks do this to hobble development of truly useful tools that depend on a NAT-free environment to work.
I think we should respect the different types of networks, and their administrative goals. I have customers who manage large educational networks. Their engineers have a strong belief in free speech and openness. They have very few filters, don't utilize NAT, and have a reactionary security policy. I also have corporate customers who run extreme nat, don't allow access to social network sites, proxy every communication in and out, and generally don't care that they break 90%+ of the applications that work over the Internet, especially when it's not business related.
That being said, I've seen corporate networks change, altering their security policy and the way they do things in order to support applications which they desire. So I wouldn't be surprised if a tight NAT dwelling network suddenly shifted to routing global addressing to meet new applications needs.
Jack
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses William Herrin (Oct 20)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses Ray Soucy (Oct 21)
- Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Jeroen Massar (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Ray Soucy (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) William Herrin (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Joel Jaeggli (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Jack Bates (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Joe Hamelin (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Jack Bates (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Joel Jaeggli (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) William Herrin (Oct 22)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 22)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Ray Soucy (Oct 22)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) William Herrin (Oct 22)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 23)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Jack Bates (Oct 23)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) William Herrin (Oct 23)
- Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Jeroen Massar (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) William Herrin (Oct 21)
- Re: Why ULA: low collision chance (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 21)