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Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses)
From: Matthew Kaufman <matthew () matthew at>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:46 -0700
On 10/31/2010 9:31 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
And he can justify PI when he first deploys IPv6 with a single provider under which policy? (Assume he is in the ARIN region and that his IPv4 space is currently provider-assigned from a couple of different providers and he's using NAT to do his IPv4 failover management)Or better yet, if Woody had gone straight to PI, he wouldn't have this problem, either.
1. Quite possibly does not qualify for an IPv4 assigned under the current IPv4 policy (certainly not in a few more months, when *nobody* will qualify except for some transition-space requests)
2. Definitely can't show efficient utilization of all direct IPv4 assignments, as he has none.
3. He's not a community network.So he can't go "straight to PI". He either needs to go PA with the first provider, then through renumbering pain (which he knows all too well about from IPv4, and none of the problems like "change the address of the intranet wiki server in the internal DNS servers" change with IPv6), or use something internal like ULA for things he doesn't want to renumber.
If a site is numbering their internal IPv4 stuff to avoid having to renumber on a provider change, then why would they number their IPv6 stuff from provider space rather than ULA space?Which gains what vs. PI?
Nothing, but PI isn't available to him. See above.
And remember - (a) IPv6 allows machine to easily support multiple addresses and (b) if you have a provider address and a ULA, changing providers only means renumbering a *partial* renumber of the hosts that require external visibility - your internal hosts can continue talking to each other on a ULA as if nothing happened.If you have PI space, changing providers can be even easier and you can leave multiple providers running in parallel.
That's a big IF, given the above. He doesn't qualify for PI space, thanks to ARIN policies set by people who want routing tables to stay as small as possible, so PI space to be as difficult as possible to obtain for people like him.
Matthew Kaufman
Current thread:
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses), (continued)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Christopher Morrow (Oct 31)
- RE: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) George Bonser (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) Christopher Morrow (Oct 31)
- RE: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) George Bonser (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) Mark Andrews (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) David Conrad (Oct 31)
- RE: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) George Bonser (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Christopher Morrow (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Matthew Kaufman (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Matthew Petach (Oct 31)
- RE: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 -Unique local addresses) George Bonser (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) David Conrad (Oct 31)
- Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses) Owen DeLong (Oct 31)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses Ray Soucy (Oct 21)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses Luca Tosolini (Oct 21)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses Ray Soucy (Oct 21)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses Ray Soucy (Oct 21)
- Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addresses Ray Soucy (Oct 21)