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Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:22:58 -0700
On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
Owen DeLong wrote:I had an interesting discussion with someone from Registration Services at ARIN today. The big requests for IP space (the 11 organizations that hold 75% of all ARIN issued space) do not come from the server side... They come from the eye-ball ISPs. The only /8 issued by ARIN to an ISP, for example, was issued to a cable ISP. With this in mind, I don't think there's much to be gained here. Optimizing the utilization of less than 25% of the address space in the face of the consumption rate on the 75% side simply cannot yield a meaningful result. It really is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.The eyeball ISPs will find it trivial to NAT should they ever need to do so however, something servers cannot do - you are looking at numbers, not operational considerations. --Patrick
I'm looking at both, and, frankly, LSN (large scale NAT) is not as trivial as you think. I actually talk to and work with some of these very large providers on a regular basis. None of them is looking forward to deploying LSN with anything but dread. The support issues, user experience, CALEA problems, and other issues with LSN are huge. None of them that I am aware of are considering using lSN to free up addresses to hand over to hosting providers. Owen
Current thread:
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?, (continued)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Florian Weimer (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Randy Bush (Apr 18)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Patrick Giagnocavo (Apr 18)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Patrick W. Gilmore (Apr 18)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Florian Weimer (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Patrick W. Gilmore (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Florian Weimer (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Owen DeLong (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Patrick Giagnocavo (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Patrick W. Gilmore (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Owen DeLong (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Robert Brockway (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Dave Pooser (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Nick Hilliard (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Patrick Giagnocavo (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Florian Weimer (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Joe Abley (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Joe Greco (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Mark Smith (Apr 19)
- RE: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Frank Bulk (Apr 19)
- Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough? Joe Greco (Apr 19)