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RE: DMCA takedowns of networks
From: "Brian Johnson" <bjohnson () drtel com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:03:29 -0500
Per Dictionary.com: blackmail -noun 1. any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations or accusations. 2. the extortion of such payment: He confessed rather than suffer the dishonor of blackmail. 3. a tribute formerly exacted in the north of England and in Scotland by freebooting chiefs for protection from pillage. -verb (used with object) 4. to extort money from (a person) by the use of threats. 5. to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract. ... thus, this is not blackmail. Please thrown your grenades and run. :) - Brian
-----Original Message----- From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis [mailto:sven () cyberbunker com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 12:25 PM To: Joe Greco Cc: Brian Johnson; North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re: DMCA takedowns of networksIs there a better solution that doesn't require intrusive parsing?Sure. Tell the hoster they've got to shut it down, or else losetheirconnectivity.which would be called "blackmail". sure, have the cops arrest the guy that actually runs the site or uploaded it onto the site, if they cannot (because it simply doesnt happen to
be
illegal in the country where he resides) they are out of luck and have to live with it. furthermore, in any case, a proper court order specifically mentioning the url, the customer, the right company out of our christmastree of companies worldwide, etc would be required as we dont plan to decide whats illegal and what not. ofcourse all of this only applies to "real crime". not to whining dmca idiots, whom are criminals themselves. -- Sven Olaf Kamphuis CB3ROB DataServices Phone: +31/87-8747479 Skype: CB3ROB MSN: sven () cb3rob net C.V.: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cb3rob Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is
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and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Joe Greco wrote:So why are we having this discussion?Because it appears that HE took down non-infringing sites? Excuse me for stating the obvious. :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI -On the technical side of this question... Let's say that a customer is doing virtual hosting. So they have abunchof sites (Let's say hundreds) on a single IP address. Given thatone ofthe sites is misbehaving (use your own definition), how would aproviderblock the one site, without blocking others that share the same IP address, without looking at every port 80 request and parsing fortheheader for the URL? Is there a better solution that doesn't require intrusive parsing?Sure. Tell the hoster they've got to shut it down, or else losetheirconnectivity. Sometimes it can be both simple *and* obvious. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI -http://www.sol.net"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance[and] then Iwon't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on
spam(CNN)With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too
many
apples.X-CONTACT-FILTER-MATCH: "nanog"
Current thread:
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks, (continued)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Brian Johnson (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jack Bates (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Bruce Williams (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jack Bates (Oct 26)
- ADMIN: DMCA takedowns of networks Simon Lyall (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks N. Yaakov Ziskind (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Shrdlu (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Randy Bush (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Sven Olaf Kamphuis (Oct 26)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Brian Johnson (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks William Pitcock (Oct 27)