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Re: DMCA takedowns of networks
From: Bruce Williams <williams.bruce () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:16:57 -0700
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Jack Bates <jbates () brightok net> wrote:
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:had no liability in the matter. Of course Hurricane is well within their rights not to serve any customer that they please, but the customer is also well within their rights to find another provider who better respects the rights of free speech on the Internet (if the above is what actually happened).I'm sure HE respects the rights of free speech just fine. That being said, a notice was delivered, customer may not have replied with the appropriate legal notice, and so HE honored it's obligation to maintain safe harbor. One would have to be an idiot to jeopardize their company by rolling the dice in an effort to protect free speech (which may not legally be free speech). Courts determine what is free speech. ISPs just try to stay the hell out of the way. Jack
Just to add some facts to the debate, the "Yes Men" get them themselves somehow on as speakers to some group such as the COC and give a speech that exposes the organization to ridicule. For example they pretended to discover climate change would be bad for business at the COC and proposed the return to slavery as a solution to Africa's economic problems at a Wharton Business School conference. The amazing thing is their pronouncements are taken seriously by the audience. I am not a lawyer, but I know satire when I see it and this is damn good political satire, something the courts have given broad free speech protection to. Satire can incorporate a great deal without copyright infringement. The Supreme Court ruled that a song named "Pretty Woman" that used much of the words and all the music of another song "Pretty Woman" that satires the original song by having the "pretty woman walking down the street" being a prostitute in their neighborhood and arrested was protected speech in spite of consisting of over 90% of the original work. Not that HE should act as a judge, but just to clarify what is being done. http://theyesmen.org/ Bruce Williams
Current thread:
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks, (continued)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Joe Greco (Oct 24)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Joly MacFie (Oct 24)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Brian Johnson (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Joe Greco (Oct 26)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks John van Oppen (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jack Bates (Oct 26)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Brian Johnson (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jack Bates (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Bruce Williams (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Jack Bates (Oct 26)
- ADMIN: DMCA takedowns of networks Simon Lyall (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks N. Yaakov Ziskind (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Shrdlu (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Randy Bush (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks Sven Olaf Kamphuis (Oct 26)
- RE: DMCA takedowns of networks Brian Johnson (Oct 26)
- Re: DMCA takedowns of networks William Pitcock (Oct 27)