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Re: ISP customer assignments
From: Nathan Ward <nanog () daork net>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:59:19 +1300
Ok, I've decided to do this a different way to my usual ranting. Instead of explaining the options over and over and hoping people can make sense of the complexities of it, become experts, and make good informed decisions, I've made a flow chart. Feel free to ask about details and I can get in to the ranting part, this is really a place to start.
Right now it assumes people only provide DSL or other dynamic sort of services. It also assumes DS-Lite people are insane, so probably need better language there. Also the first question is not necessarily about who you are, but who is driving the IPv6 'build' - which is why native, 6rd and ds-lite are not appropriate for the customer-driven side. I hope that makes sense. No talk about ISATAP and stuff for inside the customer network either. And before you ask no ISATAP is not appropriate for ISPs, doesn't work through NAT.
Anyway: - 6RD is used by free.fr. Not widely implemented by anyone yet.- DS-Lite is something some guys at Comcast and others are talking about. Not widely implemented by anyone yet.
- The rest you can figure out from wikipedia and stuff.Please email me with any corrections, complaints, or threats if you're a DS-Lite fan. I'll always keep old versions in this directory, and the latest version will always have this filename, so please link to it instead of copying it, etc. etc.:
http://www.braintrust.co.nz/resources/ipv6_flow_chart/ipv6_flow_chart-current.pdf On 13/10/2009, at 11:26 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Nathan Ward, please stand up. Adrian On Tue, Oct 13, 2009, TJ wrote:-----Original Message----- From: JustinTo go along with Dan's query from above, what are the preferred methodsthat other SPs are using to deploy IPv6 with non-IPv6-capable edge hardware? We too have a very limited number of dialup customers and will never sink another dollar in the product. Unfortunately I alsohave brand-new ADSL2+ hardware that doesn't support IPv6 and accordingto the vendors (Pannaway) never will. We also have CMTSs that don'tsupport IPv6, even though they too are brand-new. Those CMTSs top outat DOCSIS 2.0 and the vendor decided not to allow IPv6 to the CPEs regardless of the underlying CM's IPv6 support or lack thereof (like Cisco allowed for example). Are providers implementing tunneling solutions? Pros/cons of the various solutions?My first (potentially ignorant) response would be to get your acquisitionspeople aligned with your business, and by that I mean they should bemakinga concerted effort to only buy IPv6 capable gear, especially when IPv6 iscoming to you within that gears lifecycle.I guess your customers will need to tunnel, as long as you give them apublicIP they have 6to4 (and possibly Teredo, tunnel broker) - but native isbetter.--- Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $24/pm+GST entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -!DSPAM:22,4ad455ce140151847938845!
Current thread:
- Re: ISP customer assignments, (continued)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Justin Shore (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Chris Hills (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Michael Dillon (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments eric clark (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Adam Armstrong (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Scott Morris (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Ricky Beam (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Mark Andrews (Oct 13)
- RE: ISP customer assignments TJ (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Adrian Chadd (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Nathan Ward (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Mark Andrews (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Nathan Ward (Oct 14)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Mark Andrews (Oct 14)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Justin Shore (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Justin Shore (Oct 13)
- RE: ISP customer assignments Frank Bulk (Oct 14)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Dan White (Oct 15)
- Re: ISP customer assignments Bjørn Mork (Oct 06)