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Re: Upstream BGP community support
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:26:37 -0500
On Nov 2, 2009, at 6:46 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
But seriously now, the reason we have these squishy things taking upspace between our ears in the first place is so we can come up with newideas and better ways to solve our problems.and they need not be cute, clever, or complex. unless we did not get enough strokes as a kid.
I think you two are speaking ever so slightly past each other. Specifically, you are using the term 'clever' in different ways.
Also, Randy, complexity is not always bad. More transistors on a chip can absolutely make it more complex, but it can be useful if you know where to put them and how they interact. Complexity is not the enemy. Poorly understood complexity, complexity for the sake of complexity, complexity with no goal, these are bad. Saying complexity itself is bad is just as silly as adding complexity for no gain.
You want to lower opex. A fine goal. Richard claims implementing a community-signaling product on his network lowers his opex. You say breaking things in ways that hurt your neighbors is bad. Richard has years of running his network in this way without harming his neighbors. Etc., etc. It sounds to me like you two agree. So why don't you shake hands and go back to your corners?
Unless you'd rather talk past each other and argue semantics in front of 10K+ of your not-so-closest friends?
-- TTFN, patrick
Current thread:
- Re: Upstream BGP community support, (continued)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support joel jaeggli (Nov 01)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Steve Bertrand (Nov 01)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Martin Hannigan (Nov 01)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Steve Bertrand (Nov 01)
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- Re: Upstream BGP community support Matthew Petach (Nov 01)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Randy Bush (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Richard A Steenbergen (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Andy B. (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Randy Bush (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Patrick W. Gilmore (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Jack Bates (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Joel Jaeggli (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Jack Bates (Nov 02)
- RE: Upstream BGP community support Brian Dickson (Nov 02)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Steve Meuse (Nov 05)
- Re: Upstream BGP community support Jack Bates (Nov 05)