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Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817
From: Steven Bellovin <smb () cs columbia edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:24:33 -0500
On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said:Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet?`(2) INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS- Any Internet service provider that, onor through a system or network controlled or operated by the Internetservice provider, transmits, routes, provides connections for, or stores any material containing any misrepresentation of the kind prohibited in paragraph (1) shall be liable for any damages caused thereby, includingdamages suffered by SIPC, if the Internet service provider--"routes" sounds the most dangerous part there. Does this mean that if we have a BGP peering session with somebody, we need to filter it?
Also "transmits". (I'm impressed that someone in Congress knows the word "routes"....)
Fortunately, there's the conditions:`(A) has actual knowledge that the material contains a misrepresentationof the kind prohibited in paragraph (1), or`(B) in the absence of actual knowledge, is aware of facts or circumstances from which it is apparent that the material contains a misrepresentation of the kind prohibited in paragraph (1), andupon obtaining such knowledge or awareness, fails to act expeditiouslyto remove, or disable access to, the material.So the big players that just provide bandwidth to the smaller players are mostly off the hook - AS701 has no reason to be aware that some website in Tortuga is in violation (which raises an intresting point - what if thesite *is* offshore?)And the immediate usptreams will fail to obtain knowledge or awareness oftheir customer's actions, the same way they always have.
Note the word "circumstances"...
Move along, nothing to see.. ;)
Until, of course, some Assistant U.S. Attorney or some attorney in a civil lawsuit decides you were or should have been aware and takes you to court. You may win, but after spending O(\alph_0) zorkmids on lawyers defending yourself....
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Current thread:
- Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Bryan King (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Mark Andrews (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Barry Shein (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Eric Brunner-Williams (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Mark Andrews (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Steven Bellovin (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Richard Bennett (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Steven Bellovin (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Richard Bennett (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Jeffrey Lyon (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Florian Weimer (Nov 06)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 05)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Christopher Morrow (Nov 06)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Dan Golding (Nov 06)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Christopher Morrow (Nov 06)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 sthaug (Nov 06)
- Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817 Christopher Morrow (Nov 06)