Re: Level 3 - "legacy" Wiltel/Looking Glass bandwidth

["Eric Nowland, Wyoming.com" <eric.nowland () wyoming com>]

Will Orton wrote:
> We have an old Wiltel DS3 homed from their Anaheim POP... all traffic that's 
> not going to destinations on the old 7911 backbone seems to be backhauled to 
> Level3 in San Jose before getting anywhere else, like so:
>
>  1  (internal)
>  2  (internal)
>  3  (internal)
>  4  anhmca1wcx1-atm10-0-0.wcg.net (64.200.142.169)  8.017 ms  8.596 ms  8.138 ms
>  5  anhmca1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.143.65)  9.325 ms  8.056 ms  9.485 ms
>  6  64.200.249.122 (64.200.249.122)  79.108 ms  251.438 ms  222.596 ms
>  7  64.200.249.142 (64.200.249.142)  16.357 ms  16.167 ms  17.004 ms
>  8  te-3-2-70.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.110.25)  12.568 ms  13.195 ms  13.384 ms
>
> So they don't seem to interconnect 7911 and 3356 in Los Angeles. We complained 
> about this a year ago and they basically said, "tough, you bought IP transit, 
> we're giving you IP transit".
>
> Anyway, so in the meantime we bougt a new gig-e to 3356 in San Jose...
>
>
>  1  (internal)
>  2  (internal)
>  3  (internal)
>  4  (internal)
>  5  ge-x-x.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.71.x.x)  9.063 ms  7.780 ms  8.460 ms
>
>   
We have had the same issues with the Broadwing network.  Our OC-3 
connections are in Wyoming and they lugged everything through Salt Lake 
and then to San Jose adding about 30 - 50 ms.  We placed orders with 
Level 3 to move them onto the Level 3 POP's last year and so far we have 
one of them up that they finished last week.

> So it almost looks like my gig-e in San Jose is off the same router they 
> backhaul 7911/Anaheim via.
>
> I wouldn't take a new connection to 7911 unless you're okay with this sort of 
> thing. Performance has been fine other than the 5-10ms of extra latency, but the 
> asthetics bug me more than anything. If they communicated more about what 
> they're doing on the 7911 net and what the PLAN is for transitioning things, I'd 
> be happier. But it's been this way for years now so we're just disconencting the 
> old one, which is probably what they're waiting for everyone to do rather than 
> really merge the networks.
>
> -Will
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:15:42PM -0700, Scott Howard wrote:
>   
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:15:42 -0700
> > Subject: Level 3 - "legacy" Wiltel/Looking Glass bandwidth
> > From: Scott Howard <scott () doc net au>
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> >
> > We're looking at getting connectivity via Level 3 in a particular
> > datacenter, but we're being told that it's "legacy Wiltel/Looking Glass"
> > rather than "true" Level 3.
> >
> > Given that both of these acquisitions occurred years ago should I be
> > worried, or is this "legacy" connectivity the same as L3 at any other
> > datacenter?
> >
> >   Scott.
> >     
>
>
>   
We have also had the fun of the musical sales reps as we are on our 4th 
one since they took of Broadwing...

Thanks
Eric Nowland
Sr Network Engineer
Cerento/Wyoming.com