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Re: breadcrumbs and collusion
From: "J. Oquendo" <sil () infiltrated net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:18:09 -0500
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, bmanning () vacation karoshi com wrote:
NANOG makes a fine archive of discoverable material in a court case intending to show collusion to drive folks out of business. One presumes that each ISP here has some form of AUP and rules on self-preservation roughly along the lines of "if there is material impact to my network or my customers, I can do whatever it takes to mitigate the traffic/intrusion". One does not need to collaberate with others before enforcing your own AUP. --bill
If we were to stick to the rules: It should also, and very notably, define what sanctions will be applied if a user breaks the AUP. Compliance with this policy should, as usual, be measured by regular audits. However, AUP's aren't a definitive mandatory or regulatory control they're CYA (Cover Your Ass) based and have been known to be put in place solely for that purpose. It IS your own backyard, but what about the contractual agreements that can potentially be broken when "oops I didn't know I was nullrouting that business because it passes through that AS" occurs. Are you willing to simply say "it's a matter of my opinion/judgement regardless if people like it or not". What happens to that potential agreement. I'm not siding with anyone here, I despise spammers, malware sites as much as anyone else, but I think this process of "pull the plug" needs to be reviewed fairly and accurately. Else how would you like it if my attitude veered towards "Well gee, AS32042332498732 never audited their network, now look at this filth, gee might as well block them too" Since many would like to justify their argument based on the "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to" theme, then imagine the potential damage if everyone took this attitude. How many networks would break? Who here votes to cut off some major AS's? Everybody's Internet, Rackspace maybe? I can give a list of some major organizations as can others that flagrantly allow things to go on. I see no mention of throwing these businesses into Salems Lot 2008. -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP "A good district attorney can indict a ham sandwich if he wants to ... The accusations harm as much as the convictions ... they're obviously harmful or it wouldn't be news.." - John Carter wget -qO - www.infiltrated.net/sig|perl http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x3AC173DB
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- Re: Where to move the Intercage/Atrivo discussion (was: the Intercage mess), (continued)
- Re: Where to move the Intercage/Atrivo discussion (was: the Intercage mess) Christopher Morrow (Sep 25)
- Re: Where to move the Intercage/Atrivo discussion (was: the Intercage mess) J. Oquendo (Sep 25)
- breadcrumbs and collusion bmanning (Sep 25)
- Re: breadcrumbs and collusion Dave Howe (Sep 25)
- RE: breadcrumbs and collusion michael.dillon (Sep 26)
- Re: breadcrumbs and collusion Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Sep 26)
- Re: breadcrumbs and collusion Roy (Sep 26)
- Re: breadcrumbs and collusion Dave Howe (Sep 27)
- Re: breadcrumbs and collusion Dave Howe (Sep 28)
- RE: breadcrumbs and collusion michael.dillon (Sep 29)
- Re: breadcrumbs and collusion J. Oquendo (Sep 25)
- Re: Where to move the Intercage/Atrivo discussion (was: the Intercage mess) Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 25)
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