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Re: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:51:06 -0500
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:26:59 +0100, Florian Weimer said:
* Patrick W. Gilmore:
3. Standard transit contracts do not guarantee full connectivityIf this were true, why would end users (or, more generally, not significantly multi-homed networks) buy transit from such networks?
Quite frankly, if any potential transit provider tried to make noises about being able to *guarantee* full connectivity, I'd show him the door. Consider the average length of an AS path. Now consider that your AS is at one end, your transit provider is the next hop - and there's often 5 or 6 or more AS hops past that. And that potential transit provider has absolutely *no* control over what some backhoe just did to connectivity 4 AS down the path... For example, look at the traceroute from my desktop to where your mail originated: traceroute to 212.9.189.177 (212.9.189.177), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 isb-6509-1.vl103.cns.vt.edu (128.173.12.1) 0.394 ms 0.712 ms 0.791 ms 2 isb-6509-2.po51.cns.vt.edu (128.173.0.5) 0.597 ms 0.681 ms 0.756 ms 3 isb-7606-2.ge1-1.cns.vt.edu (192.70.187.218) 0.740 ms 0.709 ms 0.687 ms 4 192.70.187.10 (192.70.187.10) 7.590 ms 7.610 ms 7.647 ms 5 te2-1--580.tr01-asbnva01.transitrail.net (137.164.131.177) 89.583 ms 89.618 ms 89.797 ms 6 llnw-peer.asbnva01.transitrail.net (137.164.130.30) 11.956 ms 9.450 ms 9.473 ms 7 ve5.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.171.213) 17.243 ms 9.689 ms 17.443 ms 8 * * * 9 FRA-3-eth0-403.de.lambdanet.net (81.209.156.9) 99.266 ms 99.180 ms 99.163 ms 10 FRA-1-eth000.de.lambdanet.net (217.71.96.69) 98.342 ms 98.436 ms 98.283 ms 11 STU-3-pos330.de.lambdanet.net (217.71.96.82) 111.748 ms 111.764 ms 107.438 ms 12 bond0.border2.LF.net (212.9.160.73) 104.380 ms 104.404 ms 104.262 ms 13 em1.core.LF.net (212.9.160.65) 104.622 ms 104.761 ms 104.504 ms 14 dsl-gw.ispeg.de (212.9.161.26) 106.013 ms 105.999 ms 105.973 ms 15 dsl.enyo.de (213.178.172.64) 135.094 ms 136.729 ms 136.007 ms Are you saying that you'd accept a contract where ispeg.de or LF.net are making claims they can guarantee connectivity to AS1312 no matter what transitrail is doing? (I admit being surprised - I was *expecting* the traceroute to go through Level3 or Sprint, actually. When did lambdanet land in DE? ;) (And the real kicker - if transitrail burps, is ispeg or LF able to find us via our Level3 or Sprint connections? Maybe, maybe not...)
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