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Re: Lessons from the AU model
From: Mark Newton <newton () internode com au>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:39:26 +1030
On 22/01/2008, at 7:30 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
I am also hesitant regarding billing when a person is being DDOS:ed. How is that handled in .AU? I can see billing being done on outgoing traffic from the customer because they can control that, but what about incoming, the customer has only partial control over that.
It isn't hard. For a start, there are only one or two providers where customers ever get excess bills, so we aren't really talking about"billing when a person is being DDOS'ed", we're talking about "rate- limiting
after a person has been DDOS'ed." On the rare occasion when it happens, the ISPs who aren't bastards are usually understanding enough to back out measurements which are DDOS related. Whether or not your ISP is a bastard is one of the factors you'd use to determine which ISP is offering a package that fits your needs in a competitive environment. In my observation, customers who are repeatedly DDOS'ed are usually doing something to provoke it. I don't think I've ever seen an instancewhere a DDOS'ed customer has had a repeat occurrance after that datapoint
is illuminated for them. - mark --Mark Newton Email: newton () internode com au (W) Network Engineer Email: newton () atdot dotat org (H)
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Current thread:
- Re: Lessons from the AU model, (continued)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Paul Vixie (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mark Newton (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Simon Lyall (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Alastair Johnson (Jan 22)
- RE: Lessons from the AU model Ben Butler (Jan 22)
- RE: Lessons from the AU model Ben Butler (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Sean Donelan (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Sean Donelan (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Mark Newton (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Alastair Johnson (Jan 22)
- RE: Lessons from the AU model Frank Bulk (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Tom Vest (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Sean Donelan (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Martin Barry (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Simon Lyall (Jan 22)
- Re: Lessons from the AU model Sean Donelan (Jan 21)
- Flast model users (was: Re: Lessons from the AU model) Michal Krsek (Jan 27)
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- Re: Lessons from the AU model Tom Vest (Jan 21)
- RE: Lessons from the AU model Frank Bulk (Jan 21)