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Re: Lessons from the AU model
From: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc () internode com au>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:48:36 +1030
Andy Davidson wrote:
On 21 Jan 2008, at 00:16, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:Andy Davidson wrote:- Am I peering widely enough ? Should I actually be stuffing a switch under the floor in my employer's suite and letting my buddies plug in ? Peeringdb knows about eight exchanges in a developed economy of 20 million people. We have more than eight in single cities of Europe.Peering in Oz is MPLA. This leads to no one worrying about having to be found to form peering relationships, so peeringdb is incomplete at best. I've tried to encourage people to add their data in.Is it always compulsory ?
Yes.
(I just did some legwork and read the WAIX policies, and it seems to be mandatory here) This surprises me, Multi-lateral peering is great for lots of networks, but really bad for others, and (if forced) probably acts as a barrier to the bigger networks from taking part in any public peering ....Well, there's basically only 5 networks of any size that don't participate (Telstra, Optus Singtel, AAPT TNZ, MCI and SPT (AS9942) who aren't that big).
So, clearly it's not a big issue. What's interesting is the kinds of people that DO participate (Asia Netcom, VSNL (Oz only) etc).
It's an issue. But overall it's not big enough of one. We all gain a lot more by peering together than not.1/3 from (expensive) transit to the "Gang of Four) who won't peer.... and acts as an incentive to pull out of the agreement as networks grow .. think about what happens when your customers' routes start appearing through your MLP session as well.
Yeah - I can understand why MLP is not big elsewhere (we peer in the US so I do the peering there - it's very different, but also the traffic levels are very different. We all share a lot of content here and so the savings amongst 7 of the 10 top broadband companies in Oz make it all worth while.I can think of some MLP-only exchanges in Europe, but I can't think of any that do significant traffic.
MLP is what works here - the GoF believe that their transit is special and won't peer with anyone else in Oz. It's partially a government mistake from the late 90s.
MMC
Andy
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