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Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake
From: David Freedman <david.freedman () uk clara net>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:49:46 +0100
Danny McPherson wrote:
On Aug 14, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:You're missing a step: janitor. No really, the reason for some leaks isn't because so-and-so was never a customer, they were. 5 years ago. nobody removed the routes from the IRR or AS-SET or <insert method here> and now the route is learned via some other location and it's bypassed your perimiter security and infiltrated your BGP.I agree, how many of you folks that use IRRs have ever deleted an IRR object? Heck, some ISPs even add them based on existence of advertised routes.
Agree, IRR objects do get dirty and require cleaning up, The company I work for makes a good effort at this which starts by measuring how dirty they are: http://noc.eu.clara.net/routing.php The problem is caused by a combination of both us and our downstreams not cleaning properly. Over the past few months I've been working on a personal project to clean our IRR objects by making the system which generates them talk closer to the system which bills people. (*) Part of this work has meant going through the pain of providing an internal WHOIS service since we decided that it was the best way of storing data without re-inventing the wheel. This said, if you are not using IRR (at least for your customers) then PLEASE START DOING SO, you'll have plenty of time to worry about keeping it up to date once you can get you or your organisation to grips with it. Dave. * if you are interested you can compare AS-CLARANET macro in the ripedb with AS-CLARANET macro in the ripe testdb (test-whois.ripe.net), This object will launch in the next few weeks.
-danny
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- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space bymistake, (continued)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space bymistake Jean-François Mezei (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space bymistake Steven M. Bellovin (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space bymistake Danny McPherson (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space bymistake Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space bymistake Danny McPherson (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake David Freedman (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Randy Bush (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake brett watson (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Jared Mauch (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Danny McPherson (Aug 14)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake David Freedman (Aug 15)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Michael Smith (Aug 16)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Jon Lewis (Aug 17)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Jared Mauch (Aug 17)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake David Barak (Aug 17)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Bill Nash (Aug 18)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Deepak Jain (Aug 18)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Joe Malcolm (Aug 15)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Sean Donelan (Aug 13)
- Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake Jared Mauch (Aug 13)