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Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos
From: Stephen Stuart <stuart () tech org>
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:54:27 +0000
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote:Operators are probably more interested in the "fairness" part of "congestion" than the "efficiency" part of "congestion."TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird. Shouldn't it be per-user, not per-flow?How would you define "user" in that context?Operators always define the "user" as the person paying the bill. One bill, one user.
It's easy to imagine a context where authentication at the application layer determines "user" in a bill-paying context. Passing that information into the OS, and having the OS try to schedule fairness based on competing applications' "guidance," seems like a level of complexity that adds little value over implementing fairness on a per-flow basis. In theory, any such notion of "user" is lost once the packet gets out on the wire - especially when user is determined by application-layer authentication, so I don't consider 802.1X or the like to be helpful in this instance.
Its fun to watch network engineers' heads explode.
What if the person paying the bill isn't party to either side of the TCP session? Stephen
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- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Mark Smith (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Steven M. Bellovin (Sep 03)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Sean Donelan (Sep 03)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Tony Finch (Sep 04)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Stephen Stuart (Sep 04)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Tony Finch (Sep 04)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call forDemos Christian Kuhtz (Sep 04)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Sean Donelan (Sep 04)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Stephen Stuart (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Sean Donelan (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Fred Baker (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Mikael Abrahamsson (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Stephen Stuart (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Sean Donelan (Sep 05)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Stephen Stuart (Sep 06)
- Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos Fred Baker (Sep 04)
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