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Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
The problem here is that they seem to be using a sledge hammer: BitTorrent is essentially left dead in the water. And they deny doing anything, to boot.A reasonable approach would be to throttle the offending applications to make them fit inside the maximum reasonable traffic envelope.
There are many "reasonable" things providers could do.However, in the US last year we had folks testifying to Congress that QOS will never work, providers must never treat any traffic differently, DPI is evil, and the answer to all our problems is just more bandwidth. Unfortnately, its currently not considered acceptable for commercial ISPs to do the same things that universities are already doing to manage traffic on their networks.
The result is network engineering by politician, and many reasonable things can no longer be done.
Fair usage policies QOS scavenger/background class of service Tiered data caps billing Upstream/downstream billingChanging some of the billing methods could encourage US providers to offer "uncapped" line rates, but "capped" data usage. So you could have a 20Mbps/50Mbps/100Mbps line rate, but because the upstream network utilization could be controlled at the data layer instead of the line rate, effective prices may be lower.
But I don't know if the bloggersphere is ready for that yet in the US.
Current thread:
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?, (continued)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Marshall Eubanks (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Marshall Eubanks (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sam Stickland (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sam Stickland (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Joe Provo (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Brandon Galbraith (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? James Blessing (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 23)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 24)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 24)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 25)
- RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? michael.dillon (Oct 25)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Marshall Eubanks (Oct 25)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 25)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Marshall Eubanks (Oct 25)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sean Donelan (Oct 25)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Mikael Abrahamsson (Oct 25)
- Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? Sam Stickland (Oct 26)