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Darned if they do or don't (was Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3)
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:32:09 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Jon Lewis wrote:
When we have a customer spamming, we don't call the police. We either talk to, ACL, or shut off the customer. The above suggests to me that SaidCom had spam issues that they were either unable or unwilling to remedy themselves.
Probably no one besides SaidCom and Level3 knows the whole story. If you do some more research you will find allegations, besides spam, that would involve law enforcement. I don't repeat them here because I don't know if they are true or not.
Skipping the faces (or lack of facts ) in this particular case.People criticize ISPs for not shutting down customers. And people criticize ISPs when they do shut down customers. Whether it is a 10Gig link or a DSL/Cable link, do bad guys get more leeway just because they pay for more expensive circuits? Or should an ISP shutdown customers as soon as possible when they violate the AUP/TOS regardless who it is.
Three warnings, six warnings, six hundred warnings, how many is too many?Would you be more careful about your computers being compromised, copyright infringement, signing up downstream customers if you knew violations of your ISP's AUP would result in disconnection? Everyone always wants the other guy's circuit terminated when something
bad happens, but never wants their own circuit terminated when they screw up. How many people thank the police officer for stopping them and giving them a ticket for violating traffic rules?
Current thread:
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property), (continued)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 16)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Brandon Galbraith (Mar 16)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 17)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Howard C. Berkowitz (Mar 16)
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- RE: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Frank Bulk (Mar 16)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) William Yardley (Mar 15)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Jerry Pasker (Mar 15)
- Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property) Gerry Boudreaux (Mar 15)
- Darned if they do or don't (was Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3) Sean Donelan (Mar 15)
- AUP enforcement diligence David Barak (Mar 16)
- Re: AUP enforcement diligence Adrian Chadd (Mar 16)
- Re: AUP enforcement diligence Steve Sobol (Mar 16)
- Re: AUP enforcement diligence Suresh Ramasubramanian (Mar 19)