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Re: Kremen's Buddy?
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen () sprunk org>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:21:12 -0500
Thus spake <andrew2 () one net>
owner-nanog () merit edu wrote:Once this subject took off on nanog, I have been oversaturated with people trying to "sell" me ip space. I have had offers for several /16's for 10,000.00 each that are no longer in use by the companies who "own" lol them.It seems to me that this nicely illustrates a major problem with the current system. Here we have large blocks of IP space that, by their own rules, ARIN should take back. It all sounds nice on paper, but clearly there is a hole in the system whereby ARIN doesn't know and apparently has no way of figuring out that the space is no longer in use. It makes me wonder just how much space like that there is out there artifically increasing IP scarcity. I don't know what thesolution is, but the way things currently work it seems like if you canjustify a block today, it's yours forever even if you stop actively using it. Maybe allowing for some kind of IP market would cut down onthat type of hoarding -- you would at the very least change the type ofvalue those subnets have.
ARIN's policies allow for grandfathering of allocations/assignments made prior to ARIN's establishment at least in part because they'd be on shaky ground legally trying to revoke them for noncompliance. It's not like those folks would willingly sign an RSA that would immediately result in losing their resources. And the community has, so far, agreed with this because the problem is at least getting no worse; it's manageable to make allowances for a fixed or shrinking number of legacy address space holders.
However, I do recall that ISI ran (runs?) a program trying to contact folks who had legacy allocations and see if they were willing to return the parts they didn't need. Bill Manning reported on the progress a few times, and apparently a large number of those orgs either no longer existed or were willing to give back what they didn't need. I think this approach is acceptable to everyone, though I'd like to see more stats on what's been done and a more official sanction for the work.
Also, IIRC, folks who have legacy allocations/assignments can't get more until their existing space is up to current standards, so it's not like they're getting a free ride on the old space _and_ getting new space. All we have to complain about are the folks that have so much they'll never need more, and those are relatively few in reality. I'm pretty sure the same situation exists for non-legacy space holders; even if you comply at the time of the request, if you later fall below the standards you're safe -- but you can't get more until you're back up to the standards.
All in all, the process is decent, and it has community support. Ideal? No, but nothing ever is when lawyers get involved.
S Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws theK5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
Current thread:
- friends? you got friends?, (continued)
- friends? you got friends? bmanning (Sep 12)
- Re: Kremen's Buddy? Michael . Dillon (Sep 13)
- Re: Kremen's Buddy? Jack Bates (Sep 13)
- ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy? Albert Meyer (Sep 13)
- Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy? Hank Nussbacher (Sep 13)
- Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy? Alain Hebert (Sep 14)
- Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy? virendra rode // (Sep 14)
- RE: Kremen's Buddy? Michael . Dillon (Sep 13)
- RE: Kremen's Buddy? Justin M. Streiner (Sep 12)
- Re: Kremen's Buddy? Stephen Sprunk (Sep 12)
- Re: Kremen's Buddy? Joe Abley (Sep 12)
- Re: Kremen's Buddy? Michael . Dillon (Sep 13)