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RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless
From: "Fergie" <fergdawg () netzero net>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:14:03 GMT
I really didn't intend for this discussion to run down a rat-hole like this, but there it is. If you're going to pass-the-buck on this to (OS flaws) or that (stupid user tricks), then there are bigger problem than I thought. Regardless of existing flaws, user idiosyncracies, etc., we still have to mitigate _all_ emerging threats. Period. Your customers, and mine, expect nothing less. If you think that it's not worth your time, then continue to ignore it, but at least leave the rest of us to deal with the carnage without being a nayayer poo-poo'ing efforts to the contrary. - ferg -- "Bora Akyol" <bora () broadcom com> wrote: I see you are an optimist. As much as I like to build more technology, in this case neither more technology, nor more manpower devoted to service providers and networking is going to fix this problem. There is a real good analogy to this going on in Santa Clara county (SF Bay Area) where West Nile virus is a real threat. Initially the county tried to spray and in general kill the mosquitos. Well, it turns out that this did not work, they got more. Then, they started doing aerial surveys of the area and going to every single water body that seemed to contain stagnant water. And they made it impractical for mosquitos to breed. Then they sprayed, and now it turns out that the mosquitos are slowly disappearing. Coming back to our topic at hand, first you have to get rid of the buggy code/OS that is running out there. At the same time, you put in the law enforcement (must be able to span across countries) controls to punish the people that get caught. Then, I think you can kill off what's left. Just throwing more network engineers and more gear will not get you where you want to go IMHO. It would make quite a few companies a lot of money though.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Fergie Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:54 PM To: Bora Akyol Cc: nanog () merit edu Subject: RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless I've got news for you. To impact the miscreant's bottom-line, then it will take: A) Technology, and; B) Manpower It will also take: C) Better cooperative efforts. - ferg -- "Bora Akyol" <bora () broadcom com> wrote: IMHO, This is not a problem we can solve by adding: a) technology (other than completely dumping the OS(s) that make this possible) b) manpower I think it can be solved by reducing the margins in the miscreant business line or ideally having it have negative margins.I would suggest more specific attention by service providers specifically, and everyone in general, perhaps with more "abuse services" -related tracks at meetings like NANOG. :-) Or something along those lines...<snip> I think better to focus on the economics of the business as part of the abuse track. -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
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- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless, (continued)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless John Kristoff (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Danny McPherson (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless bmanning (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Danny McPherson (Aug 05)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Sean Donelan (Aug 05)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Danny McPherson (Aug 05)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Aaron Glenn (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Barry Shein (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Bora Akyol (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Bora Akyol (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Mattias Ahnberg (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Simon Waters (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Rick Wesson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Peter Dambier (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Sean Donelan (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Rick Wesson (Aug 08)