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Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless
From: Rick Wesson <wessorh () ar com>
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:10:50 -0700
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Simon Waters wrote:However most big residential ISPs must be getting to the point where 10% bandwidth saving would justify buying in third party solutions for containing malware sources. I assume residential ISPs must be worse than
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It might not be the right thing, but the economics for the residential ISP it costs a lot to try to be proactive about these things, especially since botnets can send just a little traffic per host and it's hard to even detect.
Last sunday at DEFCON I explained how one consumer ISP cost American business $29M per month because of the existence of key-logging botnets.
you want to talk economics? Its not complicated to show that mitigating key-logging bots could save American business 2B or 4% of =losses to identity theft -- using FTC loss estimates from 2003
just because an ISP looses some money over transit costs does not equate to the loss american business+consumers are loosing to fraud.
sorry, DEFCON slides aren't up anywhere yet. drop me a note if you'd like a copy.
-rick
Current thread:
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless, (continued)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Aaron Glenn (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Barry Shein (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Fergie (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Bora Akyol (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Fergie (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Bora Akyol (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Mattias Ahnberg (Aug 03)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Bora Akyol (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Arjan Hulsebos (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Simon Waters (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Rick Wesson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Peter Dambier (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Sean Donelan (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Rick Wesson (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Sean Donelan (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Simon Waters (Aug 08)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Michael Loftis (Aug 09)