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Re: a call for peace (Re: DNS Anycast)
From: Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT)
Vixie makes almost nothing but a personal attack. The one relevant mis-statement is that Vixie seems to suggest that I'm the only one to have "been around the loop" on PPLB. There were numerous others who agreed with me on DNSOP. In fact, there wasn't anyone not part of ISC who agreed with Vixie. It is always the same folks who make the personal attacks. Its almost always a proxy for Vixie. On the discussion on DNSOP about DNS Anycast, there were an interesting personal attacks from John Brown, contrary to Vixie's description of events: (same sort of thing happened with Dan Bernstein in 2002) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:01:31 -0600 From: John Brown CT <john () chagres net> To: Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com> Cc: Joe Shen <jshen () christmas 9966 org>, ietf () ietf org, dnsop () lists uoregon edu Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Root Anycast (fwd) [...] I realize that many on this list don't reply to the troll food that Dean leaves around, but I felt it important to reply as someone thats NOT in any shape fashion or form, ISC or its staff. I am somone that has done the engineering work to make a different letter work better via Anycast. Which letter, well that doesn't matter. [...] --------------------------------------- It turned out the John Brown founded Chagres.net with Suzzanne Woolf, who was the ISC program manager promoting DNS anycast. So much for his being "someone thats NOT in any shape fashion or form, ISC or its staff." And how familiar is this message: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg31537.html BTW, John Brown also made a frivolous DMCA complaint about this message. Apparently, he was under the wrong impression that copyright and non-disclosure are the same. Anyway, he really misunderstood fair-use, and the part of the DMCA that imposes penalties on those who make frivolous and false claims. --Dean On 2 May 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:
in this interminable thread from hell, someone finally said the magic words:Thankfully, there's always procmail.and helpfully gave a specific recipe::0 * ^From:.*<dean@av8\.com /dev/nullnow, speaking as someone who went around the loop a few times with dv8 on the topic of PPLB, i can assure all of you that his mind (or whatever) is pretty much made up. all arguing's going to do at this point is (a) fulfill his fantasies of adequacy/relevance by making him seem worthy of refutation, (b) cause lurkers and onlookers to scratch their heads and wonder if "there's gotta be something to this, or why would the volume be so sustainably high on the thread?", and (c) annoy the hell out of everybody else on the list. it does no good for me to filter out the crackpots if the rest of you are just going to keep on replying to same. so, as RAH had LL say: "never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig." here's what my thread reader says this thread looks like. as you can see, most of the traffic is in response to a single crackpot. [ 30: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.] Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL? Y - [ 75: Dean Anderson ] Re: SMTP AUTH < 25: "Patrick W. Gilmore"> Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL? < 26: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.> < 14: Matthew Sullivan > < 84: "Edward B. Dreger" > Y - [ 19: Dean Anderson ] [ 22: "Steven J. Sobol" ] Y - [ 32: Dean Anderson ] Y - [ 116: Dean Anderson ] [ 27: "Edward B. Dreger" ] Y - [ 82: Dean Anderson ] Re: SMTP AUTH [ 8: Joe Maimon ] Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring... Y - [ 25: Dean Anderson ] [ 107: Will Yardley ] Re: SMTP AUTH [ 26: David Lesher ] [ 54: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.] Re: SMTP AUTH < 24: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.> Y - < 28: Dean Anderson > [ 19: Richard A Steenberge] [ 32: James ] [ 38: Joe Maimon ] < 9: Randy Bush > < 33: Matthew Sullivan > < 23: Tim Wilde > [ 21: David Lesher ] i'm not one of the annointed moderators, but i heard that we were supposed to practice "peer moderation" and so i'm asking you all to please show a little discipline before you hit the "FlameCrackpot" key.
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Current thread:
- Re: SMTP AUTH, (continued)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Valdis . Kletnieks (May 01)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Will Yardley (May 01)
- Re: SMTP AUTH David Lesher (May 02)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Tim Wilde (May 02)
- Re: SMTP AUTH David Lesher (May 02)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Suresh Ramasubramanian (May 02)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Dean Anderson (May 03)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Jared Mauch (May 03)
- a call for peace (Re: SMTP AUTH) Paul Vixie (May 02)
- Re: a call for peace (Re: SMTP AUTH) Steven Champeon (May 02)
- Re: a call for peace (Re: DNS Anycast) Dean Anderson (May 03)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Steve Sobol (May 02)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Dean Anderson (May 03)
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- Re: SMTP AUTH Dave Stewart (May 03)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Michael . Dillon (May 04)
- Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL? Edward B. Dreger (May 01)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Dean Anderson (May 01)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Matthew Sullivan (May 02)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Dean Anderson (May 03)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Matthew Sullivan (May 03)
- Re: SMTP AUTH Dean Anderson (May 03)