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Attractive Nuisance, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder


From: Mike Leber <mleber () he net>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:31:57 -0800 (PST)



Jeeze...

It seems there are all kinds of policy wonks ever so ready to errect
fantastic edifices and structure all manner of procedure and organization
in order to fix the problem of newly allocated address space being
filtered that is largely caused by a highly visible attractive nuisance,
and rather than persude the people that make the static filter
configuration pages to responsibly remove the portion that isn't RFC 1918
or martians, you would rather tilt at windmills.

Look, this situation is akin to a gun and ammo store (the security website
in question) leaving a pile of hand grenades on display on a table in
front of their store.  You are busy arguing about who should clean up the
mess made every time a less knowledgable member of the public blows
themselves up.  The fix is to not put hand grenades in a public place.

Ergo, please don't make static filter configurations available that
include unallocated address space, people will use them and leave them in
place forever.  Yes, they are doing something that will harm themselves.  
Yes, that is dumb.  It's an "attractive nuisance", please fix it.

Mike.
ps. http://insurance.cch.com/rupps/attractive-nuisance-doctrine.htm

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 Michael.Dillon () radianz com wrote:


a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
block.

ARIN meeting happens in Orlando in about 1 month
from now. There is at least one open mike session
on the agenda and there is also a new policy workshop
if folks think that this practice needs to be made
into a formal policy.

Also, on the ARIN website at http://www.arin.net/about_us/ab_org_bot.html
you can find contact info for the Board of Trustees.
These are the people who can decide that something
makes perfect sense and instruct staff to just do it
without going through the process of changing policies.

Seems to me that this idea falls into the "just do it"
category, i.e. it's operational best practice.
So if you want this feature, tell ARIN about it!

--Michael Dillon

P.S. there is an upcoming RIPE meeting in Stockholm
at the end of May. As above, tell them that this
is important for them to be doing.


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