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Re: IPV6 renumbering painless?
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:46:02 +0100
On 15-nov-04, at 18:03, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
only leaf sites use the 32 bit AS numbers. 32 bit AS numbers for transit ASes are best avoided until everyone has upgraded.
How do we know/tell that "everyone" has upgraded? (As opposed to justsaying "It's been N+4 years now, everybody must have upgraded by *now*"?)
Well, how do you know that everyone has upgraded from BGP3 to BGP4?
Of course, we *could* always declare "everybody" as "98% of the sites thathave good contact info in the various Whois databases are ready to go, the rest know about the issue, and those with bum contact info will get what they deserve when we deploy" :)
The idea is that the new AS numbers are encoded in new path attributes. For backward compatibility, a "special" AS number is put in the places where a 16 bit number is expected. For obvious reasons, there isn't a corresponding 16 bit AS number for every 32 bit one. So to a 16 bit router all 32 bit ASes look like a single very big AS. Now this shouldn't lead to any problems as long as you don't look too hard at the 16 bit version of the AS path. For leaf sites this shouldn't be a big deal, but for a transit AS the world is going to look a bit confusing when observed through 16 bit glasses when 32 bit AS numbers are becoming common.
So practically, we would have to wait until the big N venders support this (for N ≥ 2), wait a bit more and then see if we can start unloading those 32 bit ASes on some poor unexpecting wannabe-multihomers. :-)
Current thread:
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless?, (continued)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Owen DeLong (Nov 12)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Jeroen Massar (Nov 12)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Owen DeLong (Nov 12)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Hank Nussbacher (Nov 13)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Randy Bush (Nov 13)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Hank Nussbacher (Nov 13)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Randy Bush (Nov 13)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Simon Lockhart (Nov 13)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 14)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 15)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 15)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Nov 15)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Nov 15)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Jeroen Massar (Nov 15)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Nov 16)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? J.A. Terranson (Nov 19)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Jeroen Massar (Nov 19)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Owen DeLong (Nov 19)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Alex Bligh (Nov 16)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Ryan O'Connell (Nov 18)