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Re: IPV6 renumbering painless?
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:24:47 +0100
Wow, IPv6 misinformation is reaching unprecendented heights here on NANOG...
On 11-nov-04, at 18:46, Owen DeLong wrote:
Seems to me that with a little bit of help from a "Change providers" tool, this would be virtually painless without the need to own or announce a small globally unique prefix.
That is how it has been designed, however there are some practical problems with this system:
I still think that we should pursue making the design work and not adoptcruft as standards (ULA).
ULAs aren't cruft. They serve a purpose. If you don't need them, don't use them and they won't get in your way.
The actual distribution of new IP addresses to boxes is fairly trivial in IPv6. DNS is somewhat problematic but nothing a good search and replace can't handle. The real issues are IP address based access restrictions and problems with ingress filtering when addresses from two ISPs are in use at the same time.
- Until very recently DNS software did not support A6 records at all, and "chain" support for A6 records still seems to be a work in progress.
This is getting resolved and I suspect will be long since functional by the time v6 comes to widespread deployment consideration.
Quite the opposite. There was A6 support in BIND AFAIK, but it's removed as it's unworkable. Learn to love AAAA.
If your organization is large enough to involve reconfiguring a significantnumber of routers, it is unlikely to be small enough to have to use PA space instead of getting PI space in the v6 world.
There is currently no PI in IPv6 unless you're an internet exchange or a root server. Whether there will be is anyone's guess, but it's not currently in the pipeline.
I still think NAT is evil cruft that had a purpose in the V4 world, but, is highly undesirable in the v6 world.
Regardless of the merit of NAT, there is little merit in IPv6+NAT as it has all the downsides of both. If you can live with NAT, stay in IPv4 and talk to the IPv6 world over IPv4<->IPv6 NAT.
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- Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested Måns Nilsson (Nov 10)
- Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested Jeff Rosowski (Nov 11)
- Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested Nils Ketelsen (Nov 11)
- Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested Adi Linden (Nov 11)
- Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested Jeroen Massar (Nov 11)
- IPV6 renumbering painless? Michael . Dillon (Nov 11)
- RE: IPV6 renumbering painless? Tony Hain (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Leo Bicknell (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? bmanning (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Owen DeLong (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Owen DeLong (Nov 11)
- RE: IPV6 renumbering painless? Tony Hain (Nov 12)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Joe Abley (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Daniel Roesen (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Joe Abley (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Paul Vixie (Nov 11)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 12)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Joe Abley (Nov 12)
- Re: IPV6 renumbering painless? Joe Abley (Nov 12)