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Re: Can a customer take IP's with them?
From: Richard Welty <rwelty () averillpark net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:40:06 -0700 David Schwartz <davids () webmaster com> wrote:
a TRO against nacs.net has no effect on the behavior of providers such as verio who won't honor the advertisement of the subnet in BGP. the customer would have to, one-by-one i think, go after everybody with the relatively common policy of ignoring such advertisements (isn't sprint one of these? that'd be a pretty big hunk of internet to be disconnected from. sprint having no contractual relationship with the idiot, er, customer in question, it'd be hard for the customer to get anywhere there.) in other words, by itself the requested TRO incompletely solves the problem, making it fairly pointless.
We don't know enough about the specifics to know if this argument works or not. There are two obvious cases where it doesn't:
1) The block in question is large enough (or located in legacy space) such that most/all providers will listen to it anyway.
maybe. many filtering policies against legacy space are pretty severe (e.g., filter at /16 for legacy B space.) you'd have to have a block of /20 or larger for modern allocations.
2) The customer's new provider meets with their old provider directly and the new block is inside a larger block the original provider will continue to advertise. (This is a very common case if both providers are large.)
It's worth pointing out, however, that if case 2 applies and case 1 doesn't, then the ISP will still be providing a level of actual packet carrying service to the customer.
bzzzzt. if the ISPs have sensible policy implementations at the border, nobody will be be providing free transit because of accidents of adjacency. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty () averillpark net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security
Current thread:
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them?, (continued)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Patrick W Gilmore (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Andy Dills (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Chris Ranch (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? John Neiberger (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Richard Cox (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Richard Welty (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Richard Welty (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Richard Welty (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Jeroen Massar (Jun 24)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Robert Blayzor (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Howard C. Berkowitz (Jun 24)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Dan Hollis (Jun 29)