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Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william () elan net>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:27:07 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 matt () petach org wrote:
Trojaned PCs and zombie proxies relaying spam are like cold sores; they don't kill anyone, they just make things mildly uncomfortable, so we numb them over, and go about our business like normal, even if that includes allowing the infection to spread even further. If proxies *did* kill, then yes, we'd take them seriously; but anything short of that, and real life tells us we won't take them seriously enough to try to do real research into ultimately stamping them out.
But proxies do "kill" - the trojaned "owned" PCs are and have been for years used to create distributed DoS attacks which can easily kill a site or even smaller network. There is enourmous potential harm to from them and that is in addition to normal everyday less articulated harm because of spam and more that mail servers and other infrastracture is being used for it. ISPs end up paying for all this. Everybody thinks if its not us, we don't have problem so we dont want to spend anything to fix it - bu its not true, you already are paying for it due to increased cost of operation. The cost of fixing your own network even 50% of other ISPs did it, would in the end be smaller. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william () elan net
Current thread:
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse, (continued)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Sean Donelan (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Henry Linneweh (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Daniel Reed (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Mark Turpin (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Daniel Reed (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Mark Turpin (Feb 17)
- RE: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Roy (Feb 17)
- RE: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Nicole (Feb 17)
- RE: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Roy (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse matt (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse william(at)elan.net (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse John Palmer (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse JC Dill (Feb 17)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Alex Bligh (Feb 13)