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Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse
From: Henry Linneweh <hrlinneweh () sbcglobal net>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:15:02 -0800 (PST)
good while doing that add *!*@proxad.net to the list of spammers that bug people -Henry On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Daniel Reed wrote:
On 2004-02-15T17:33-0500, Sean Donelan wrote: ) The unfortunate fact is lots of people like to operate open, anonymous ) services and then expect other people to clean up after them. ) ) Why don't IRC operators require authentication of their users? ) Why don't SMTP operators require authentication of their users? Why don't HTTP operators require authentication of their users? If I'm researching testicular cancer on the web, that may involve web sites, IRC support channels, or mailing lists.
If you have a read-write HTTP web site (i.e. send e-mail through web, write web blogs, etc), why don't you have authentication before permiting users to write? This includes news web sites which let you "forward" stories by entering arbitrary addresses. mailfrom.cgi and friends is as much of a problem. If you want to tell everyone in the world about your new and improved cure for testicular cancer available for the low low price of $119 by sending continious messages on unauthenticated IRC channels, mailing lists and web blogs why should the ISP pierce the veil of anonymitity the IRC operator, mailing list operator, web blog operator wanted? The operator of the anonymous service should deal with the consequences of maintaining that anonymitity. ISPs authenticated their users. But that doesn't mean it is the ISP's responsibility to track down users of anonymous services everytime there is a problem.
This isn't the plot to next summer's killer Sci-Fi horror movie; this is what we are dealing with on the Internet today. In either case, the long- term public interest would probably be served more by funding agencies to track down and stop the spread of the pathogen.
Restuarant operators are responsible for the safe preparation of the food they serve and the cleanliness of their resturants. It is not up to the highway department to prevent sick people from visiting your restuarant or to monitor the trucks transporting food on the highway. If you want the ISP (highway department) to control it, expect them to set up inspection points on the roads they control and disrupt all traffic. If you don't want ISPs doing this, don't ask them to enforce things they shouldn't be doing.
Current thread:
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers, (continued)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Lou Katz (Feb 12)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Alex Bligh (Feb 12)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 12)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Alex Bligh (Feb 13)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Lou Katz (Feb 12)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 13)
- Re: SMTP authentication for broadband providers Rob Pickering (Feb 13)
- Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Sean Donelan (Feb 15)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Daniel Reed (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Sean Donelan (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Henry Linneweh (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Daniel Reed (Feb 16)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Mark Turpin (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Daniel Reed (Feb 17)
- Re: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Mark Turpin (Feb 17)
- RE: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Roy (Feb 17)
- RE: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Nicole (Feb 17)
- RE: Open, anonymous services and dealing with abuse Roy (Feb 17)