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Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <christopher.morrow () mci com>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:14:09 +0000 (GMT)
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Fred Baker wrote:
I think you just tripped across the difference between a user and an SP. SPs don't generally have 28 KBPS dial links between them and their upstream, and folks that have 28 KBPS dial uplinks don't generally host Akamai servers. Assuming that just because you have effectively-infinite bandwidth and effectively-zero delay everyone perforce must enjoy that is a bit of a leap...
How is this dealt with in parts of the Internet where 'big pipes' are < ds3 rate? or even < ds1 rate? Does Akamai or <other content provider/cacher> put machines in places like: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Guam, New Guinea ? (some of those might not be completely dependent upon sat shots for Internet access) How can large patch providers improve delivery to small-piped peoples of the world? (or pockets of peoples)
This kind of a "you're different and therefore wrong" mismatch has made complete hash out of quite a variety of discussions concerning user experience and user requirements on the Internet. Please listen carefully when someone talks about having limited rate access. The assumptions that
It's tough to remember always that there are parts of the Internet serviced by very small links, entire countries even. Perhaps PCH has some data about this? Maybe even experience in how these challenges are met in these areas?
are obviously true in your (SP) world are completely irrelevant in theirs. If you want their opinions - and this opinion was explicitly requested - you have to respect them when they are offered, not just bash them as different from your experience.
Additionally, is Ms. Feinstein looking for 'US Centric' views on P2P, or 'global' uses/usage? I believe there were some research institutes (CAIDA/ISC/Merit?) that were doing usage studies of P2P software across the Internet, perhaps they can shed light on usage patterns or uses of P2P software across the global Internet?
At 01:21 PM 08/30/04 -0600, Byron L. Hicks wrote:Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2 with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P. -- Byron L. Hicks Network Engineer NMSU ICT
Current thread:
- Definition of P2P (was Feinstein), (continued)
- Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Bora Akyol (Aug 30)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Dave Dennis (Aug 30)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) David A. Ulevitch (Aug 30)
- RE: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Bora Akyol (Aug 30)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Rob Nelson (Aug 31)
- Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) Daniel Reed (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Owen DeLong (Aug 30)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Petri Helenius (Aug 31)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Iljitsch van Beijnum (Aug 31)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Ted Fischer (Aug 31)
- Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Christopher L. Morrow (Aug 30)
- RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Tom (UnitedLayer) (Aug 30)