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Re: Packet anonymity is the problem?
From: Joe Provo <nanog-post () rsuc gweep net>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:58:09 -0400
On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 03:36:44AM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: [snip]
in another thread tonight i see subjects like "lazy network operators" and at first glance, those are the people you're describing (who don't really care.) however, that's simple-minded. "because of the way tcp/ip works..." is a very good lead-in toward the actual cause of this apparent non-caring / laziness. because of the way ip works, and because of the way human nature works, many of the things that would have to be done to fix this problem have assymetric cost/benefit. if a network provider isn't lazy, then everyone except them will benefit from that non-laziness. human nature says that ain't happening.
I have heard the 'assymetric cost/benefit' rationale for the bad laziness (sloppiness, not the larry wall-esque 'good' laziness of automation) on and off the last few years. Similarly, I have heard about the tremendous cost of sloppiness and human error in terms of root-cause for networking badness for the past several years. Seems that these items are related... -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
Current thread:
- Packet anonymity is the problem? Sean Donelan (Apr 10)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Todd Vierling (Apr 10)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Dan Hollis (Apr 10)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Paul Vixie (Apr 10)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Joe Provo (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Petri Helenius (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Joe Maimon (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Jeff Workman (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Joe Maimon (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Jeff Workman (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Steven M. Bellovin (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Todd Vierling (Apr 10)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Yann Berthier (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Apr 11)
- Re: Packet anonymity is the problem? Yann Berthier (Apr 11)