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Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us??????
From: Scott McGrath <mcgrath () fas harvard edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:51:58 -0500 (EST)
The minimalist approach has support advantages as well. Because of the small image size a reimage can be accomplished quickly. For better or worse many network tools/utilities only run under win[*] requiring a windows box for many of these Win98SE fits nicely. My app load is small i.e. browser, ssh client sftp client and the inevitable Office suite. We are primarily a [*}x house here but we do need windows at times. Scott C. McGrath On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Brian Bruns wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivien M." <vivienm () dyndns org> To: "'Daniel Karrenberg'" <daniel.karrenberg () ripe net> Cc: <nanog () merit edu> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us??????Have either of you actually followed this advice?Win98SE is totally useless as a desktop OS due to the archaic GDI/USER resource limits. When one average consumerish app (eg: a media player)eatsup 10% of those resources, one window in an IM program eats up 2%, etc...itdoes not take much to bring down an entire system. Last time I wasrunningWin98SE (which is about 3 years ago), it took about 20 minutes afterbootingwhile running boring normal apps to get to a dangerously low resourcelevel(30%ish free). That machine got totally unstable needing a reboot after about 3 days. On the same hardware (with additional RAM), Win2K couldeasilyrun 3-4 weeks and run any app I wanted just fine. So, some people might say I'm a power user, but the average users I know these days tend to multitask at least a web browser, an IM client with a couple open windows, some bloated media player, perhaps a P2P app, andsomeoffice app. This is already stretching Win9X to its limits, and I would expect it to be worse (code just gets sloppier...) than it was three years ago...Yes I do follow my own advice. Back from the days when I was an OEM, I still have a box full of win98SE cd packs/licenses for when I build people new machines. Its what I put on them standard unless you ask for Win2k or XP or NT4 (or any other OS for that matter, ie Linux, BSD). I know full well about the resource limits. Its a PITA, but as long as you run a decent set of apps that don't suffer from resource leaks (Mozilla without a GDI patch does this for example) that eventually use up all GDI/USER memory, you'll be fine. I use Win98SE here all day with only one reboot needed most days, and I run WinAMP, Putty, K-Meleon, Outlook Express, Cygwin, mIRC, Xnews (which has a bad habit of crashing the whole system at times), as well as AIM, Miranda IM, SST, Yahoo Messenger, and various other tools. Thats all at once, multitasking. I know, I could reduce the clutter by letting Miranda IM do AIM and Yahoo, but thats not the point. :-) Many times, resource suckage comes from those ugly faceless background programs that run at startup. Kill as many icons as you can on the desktop and the task bar, and clean out your startup list, and you'll free up alot of GDI resources.No wonder people think Windows is unreliable. 98SE may be preferable fromasecurity-from-external-threats POV, yes, but for any type of real use,it'suseless. Not to mention the other quirks, like needing to reboot to change network settings, the lack of any local security (or even attempt at local security), etc. I'll take rebooting every week or two for the latest XP security patch any day over rebooting every day or two because Win98SE isanunreliable piece of poorly designed legacy junk.The way I see it, there are two uses for 98SE (or 95, 98, Me, etc) in the modern world: 1) People who use their computers as game-only machines (or who dual bootareal OS for non-game purposes) 2) Advertising for $OTHER_OS, where $OTHER_OS can be Win2K, XP, or your favourite Linux distro with KDE, GNOME, etc. Anything that actually WORKS reliably.Lets not forget those people who just don't have the CPU power or memory to support 2k or XP. Just because something is new and 'improved' doesn't make it better. Yes, 9x has alot of legacy crap. Yes, 9x has various issues with resource usage. But sometimes, its just right. -------------------------- Brian Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources http://www.sosdg.org The AHBL - http://www.ahbl.org
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- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Niels Bakker (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Henry Linneweh (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Cliff Albert (Nov 26)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Brian Bruns (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? William Allen Simpson (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Daniel Karrenberg (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Dave Howe (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Petri Helenius (Nov 26)
- RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Vivien M. (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Brian Bruns (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Scott McGrath (Nov 25)
- RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Vivien M. (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? William Allen Simpson (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Suresh Ramasubramanian (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Sean Donelan (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Ryan Dobrynski (Nov 25)
- RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Vivien M. (Nov 25)
- RE: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Wojtek Zlobicki (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 25)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Petri Helenius (Nov 24)
- Re: Anit-Virus help for all of us?????? Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 24)