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Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses
From: John Payne <john () sackheads org>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:15:18 -0400
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:35 AM -0400 Leo Bicknell <bicknell () ufp org> wrote:
Almost everyone filters customers. The large ISP's all have the same opinion, if small to medium sized players abuse the system they get depeered and become someone's customer aggressively filtered. The large ISP's then trust each other to do that aggressive filtering. So be careful if you advocate filtering. The IRR, with everyone doing an update for every customer worldwide does not scale, but depeering all the smaller peers and letting a few big guys sort it out does. I don't think that's the result most people pushing filtering want.
If this is true, then why do the european NAP mailing lists (which push IRR filtering) have an almost constant stream of "oops, our customer announced everything to us and we leaked it".
Filtering peers is not the way to go. Filtering customers and "trusting" peers to do the same is. (Whether that trust explictly mentioned in a peering agreement or whatever).
Just a shame that not everyone filters their customers. And although it has been a while, I know I've seen a route-leak from 6461 at AMS-IX.
(Probably last year sometime)
Current thread:
- Max TNT ping thing, (continued)
- Max TNT ping thing Geo. (Aug 26)
- Re: Max TNT ping thing Andy Johnson (Aug 26)
- Re: Max TNT ping thing Chris Adams (Aug 26)
- Re: Max TNT ping thing Andy Walden (Aug 27)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Jared Mauch (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Iljitsch van Beijnum (Aug 26)
- RE: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Mark Borchers (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Haesu (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Richard A Steenbergen (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Steve Carter (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses John Payne (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Leo Bicknell (Aug 27)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses John Payne (Aug 27)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 27)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses william (Aug 28)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Joe Abley (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 26)
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- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Haesu (Aug 26)
- Re: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Iljitsch van Beijnum (Aug 26)
- RE: Lazy Engineers and Viable Excuses Terry Baranski (Aug 26)