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Re: If you have nothing to hide
From: Len Rose <len () netsys com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:03:03 -0400
This is becoming ridiculous. Our rights have been eroded enough in the course of fighting this "war on terrorism" ... Now they're coming after our packets. While I'm certainly in favor of anything edge providers can do to eliminate denial of service attacks based on source-routing, I certainly don't want anything further. If this trend isn't checked we're going to see efforts made to (as an example) curb the use of encrption protocols, or whole countries being filtered, and someone, somewhere that I didn't elect will be deciding what traffic I can or cannot pass. Maybe this is an exaggeration of the possibilities, but now that all the pseudo-security-experts have jumped on the bandwagon, there is an overwhelming level of hysteria being generated on "cyber attacks" and bog knows what else with a push to limit what can and cannot be done with the net. The IETF/IAB/ISOC and other bodies historically have been all the leadership the net needs, let's not be so quick to hand over the reigns to people who don't have the best interest of the internet itself in mind. Len On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 11:37:31AM +0000, bmanning () karoshi com wrote:
I consider the IETF Best Current Practises label as intended specifically for guidance in operations matters. Hence the suggestion to consider it.You may be in the minority in you opinion here.One of the Mr. Clarke's complaints in his speech was there is no group the government can go to find out what the consensus view of Internet operators is. IETF doesn't appear to want to take on that role.Hmmm. As soon as a policy becomes multi-operator, I'll bet it starts looking like a technical spec.To avoid RICO?Dave Crocker <mailto:dave () tribalwise com>--bill
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- If you have nothing to hide Sean Donelan (Aug 03)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Paul Vixie (Aug 03)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Sean Donelan (Aug 04)
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- Re: If you have nothing to hide Dave Crocker (Aug 04)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Sean Donelan (Aug 04)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Scott Weeks (Aug 05)
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- Re: If you have nothing to hide Dave Crocker (Aug 04)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide bmanning (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Len Rose (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide bdragon (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Len Rose (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide bdragon (Aug 05)
- Re[2]: If you have nothing to hide Richard Welty (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Paul Vixie (Aug 03)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Stephen Sprunk (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Jeffrey Haas (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Gerardo A. Gregory (Aug 05)
- Re: If you have nothing to hide Sean Donelan (Aug 06)
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- Re: If you have nothing to hide Simon Waters (Aug 05)