RE: GRC rides again...

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>]

That sounds like a very good reason to NOT use QoS.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Israel [mailto:davei () biohazard demon digex net]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:24 AM
> To: Roeland Meyer
> Cc: 'rdobbins () netmore net'; 'David Howe'; nanog () merit edu
> Subject: RE: GRC rides again...
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> I doubt it. In fact, a clever hacker could figure out who has paid
> for what qos, and use it to give attacking traffic high priority.
> It adds another variable; it doesn't present a solution.
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> On 7/2/2001 at 07:15:08 -0700, Roeland Meyer said:
> > Yes, but my first question was wrt QoS. Would it do any good?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roland Dobbins [mailto:rdobbins () netmore net]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:12 AM
> > > To: Roeland Meyer
> > > Cc: 'David Howe'; nanog () merit edu
> > > Subject: Re: GRC rides again...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Implementing fully-compliant sockets in XP is -not- a 
> security issue.
> > > There're LOTS of things wrong with the way Microsoft do 
> > > things, but this 
> > > simply isn't one of them.  It's just amazing to me how 
> credulous the 
> > > public are when harangued by such an obvious snake-oil salesman.
> > >
> > > Steve Gibson, a hero in his own mind.
> > >
> > > Roeland Meyer wrote:
> > >
> > > > > From: David Howe [mailto:DaveHowe () gmx co uk]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:48 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > ... With yet another "update" to the DDos pages.
> > > > > http://grc.com/dos/intro.htm
> > > > > and I quote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, today we see only the operation of blind 
> > > > > self-interest from
> > > > >
> > > > > > Microsoft and the Internet's ISP's
> > > > > As I seem to recall several members of this list offered him 
> > > > > help (and were rebuffed) perhaps they
> > > > > would like to comment? He seems increasingly lost in
> > > > > a fantasy world where everyone is out to get him....
> > > >
> > > > The question I have is, would QoS would do any good here?
> > > >
> > > > Other then that, he seems to be on a rant here. As much as 
> > > I hate to say it,
> > > > I almost agree with MSFT here. That said, Novell stated, 
> > > decades ago, that
> > > > MSFT never could understand network security. At the time, 
> > > I agreed with
> > > > Novell. Current observation is, that MSFT has yet to learn. 
> > > Considering
> > > > MSFT's workstation market-share, that is a problem for 
> all of us.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
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> > > Roland Dobbins <mordant () gothik org> // 408.859.4137 voice
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> Dave Israel
> Senior Manager, IP Backbone
> Intermedia Business Internet