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RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting
From: Tim Wilde <twilde () dyndns org>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:41:46 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Mitch Halmu wrote:
So Der Fuehrer constructed the German autobahn, Il Duce made the Italian trains roll on time, etc. Are they good people? While I don't even question Vixie's great contributions such as BIND, I am fighting his little MAPS charity based strictly on the belief that no private party has the right to appoint themselves as communications censors. That role, if it ever comes to it, can only be filled by laws and a government mandate.
But you have yet to ever tell anyone how, exactly, MAPS does any censoring. They provide(d?) a list of IP addresses. That is _all_ they have ever done. I cannot go up to Vixie or MAPS and say "filter my mail for me", nor have I ever (that I'm aware of) been able to do so. MAPS does NOT censor anything. Period. They provide a set of information, which ISPs make a (presumably informed) decision to do filtering (or censorship, if you want to call it that) based on. That is a business decision for those ISPs to make, a right which I'm pretty sure I recall you defending at some point in one of the monthly MAPS/ORBS/whoever is evil flamewars. You dance around the real facts in this matter _every single time_ this is brought up. Please explain to me, exactly how MAPS censors anything. I'll look forward to your reply. And don't tell me MAPS filtering is enabled by default in Sendmail, or point me to your propaganda page - the first one isn't true, and I've read the second before - it doesn't answer my question. And if you can't come up with an explanation, can we please end this monthly flamewar early and keep me from having to add some more rules to my .procmailrc? Tim -- Tim Wilde twilde () dyndns org Systems Administrator Dynamic DNS Network Services http://www.dyndns.org/
Current thread:
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting, (continued)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Joel Baker (Aug 12)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Miquel van Smoorenburg (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting J.D. Falk (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Mitch Halmu (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Randy Bush (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting measl (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Randy Bush (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting measl (Aug 13)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Vivien M. (Aug 13)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Mitch Halmu (Aug 13)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Tim Wilde (Aug 13)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Jeff Aitken (Aug 13)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Mitch Halmu (Aug 14)
- Re: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Christopher A. Woodfield (Aug 14)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Vivien M. (Aug 13)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Mitch Halmu (Aug 14)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Dan Hollis (Aug 14)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Mitch Halmu (Aug 14)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting Dan Hollis (Aug 14)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting David Luyer (Aug 14)
- RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting John Ferriby (Aug 14)