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RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers


From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:05:24 -0700


From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean () donelan com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:26 AM

On Mon, 02 April 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:
From the article:
<quote>
"Half of the companies that are multihomed should have 
gotten better service
from their providers," says Patrik Faltstrom, a Cisco 
engineer and co-chair
of the IETF's Applications Area. "ISPs haven't done a good 
enough job
explaining to their customers that they don't need to multihome."
</quote>

Why would a rational customer pay for a second connection 
(usually more than doubling their cost) if a single connection was 
satisfactory?  Although providers try to vertically integrate 
their operations, time and time again,
vertical integration tends to increase the risk for the customer.

Because, if the ISP goes out of business the lead-times for getting a new
connection exceed 40-days. This was my point on invoking the
DSLnetworks/Covad spectre (it's the one I know the most details of). Also
reference FlashPoint, NorthPoint, et al. We are now suffering over 100,000
businesses being disconnected from the Intenet because their upstream went
tits-up. So, don't tell me it doesn't happen. This is the original reason
for having multi-homing with two different upstreams. In most cases, the
connection itself was rock-solid up until the time the lights went out. In
many cases, there was no warning. In ALL cases, the outage exceeded 4-weeks
unless the site was multi-homed somehow.

My latest quote for a new DSL connection is 42 days. T1s are 6-8 weeks.
Bigger pipes are 2-6 months for the fastest response, many cases are longer.

Back to business failures, the DSL world is looking rocky at best. Rythms
isn't looking very solid and neither is Covad. Some of the NorthPoint
customers are not going with either, electing to go with the local RBOC
instead (despite the hassles and long lead-times). What many businesses
really need is true multi-homing.

Mid-level providers serve an important function in the 
Internet hierarchy.
Multi-homing works well with mid-level providers aggregating 
local routes,
and managing redudancy between long-haul providers.  If you 
don't use a
mid-level provider, to achieve the same reliability you end 
up needing to
be your own mid-level provider.

Exactly. You also save some monthly recurring cost.

Why can't a large provider operate their network as a set of mid-level
networks, and connections to multiple long-haul networks.  They could.

But, they dont.


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