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RE: ARIN whois
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:14:56 -0800
A point that Dean makes here is pretty valid. Last year MHSC tried to run a third-party secure email service, using sendmail. The only way to do that is to allow relaying. The nimrods, that are about closing down all mail relays, absolutely ignore valid business uses for the relays. They don't understand that someone might want to use a different SMTP server, than the one their ISP uses, in order to send to someone in the WEB, FTN, VPN, or PER TLDs. That sort of gateway MUST allow relays in order to function. I know Ron Guillimette from my daze on the anti-spam lists. Not only is he rabid, but he lacks a lot of sense. He's an "ends justify means" type.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of Dean Anderson Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:16 AM To: Kai Schlichting; nanog () merit edu Subject: Re: ARIN whois These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia. We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open". We are not going to close them. We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally. The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that access comes from international sources. Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us, posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service. Inciting criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make sure to mention them prominently. --Dean Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai Schlichting said:At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks? ARIN'swhois only gives back a handful.I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to findout what they are.Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (ChrisNeill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal complaints underway.Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that anyof them talk tomy hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into yourbonehead again: THEYWILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSETHEM, NO MATTERHOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA,AND THERE ISNOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THEWHITEHOUSE AND GETTINGTHESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to yoursenses andshut the literal front door of your house now that you'vefinally noticedthe first unsavory characters passing by. A couple yearsafter the restof us, no doubt. And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either. Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from ScottYelich's tagline).bye,Kai -- kai () conti nu "Just say No" to SpamKai SchlichtingPalo Alto, New York, You name it SophisticatedTechnical PeonKai's SpamShield <tm> is FREE!http://SpamShield.Conti.nu||LeasedLines-FrameRelay-IPLs-ISDN-PPP-Cisco-Consulting-VoiceFax-Data-MuxesWorldWideWebAnything-Intranets-NetAdmin-UnixAdmin-Security-ReallyHardMath++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean () av8 com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Current thread:
- Re: ARIN whois, (continued)
- Re: ARIN whois Henry R. Linneweh (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois John Fraizer (Nov 24)
- RE: ARIN whois Roeland M.J. Meyer (Nov 25)
- Re: ARIN whois Etaoin Shrdlu (Nov 25)
- Re: ARIN whois Steve Sobol (Nov 30)
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- Re: ARIN whois Derek J. Balling (Nov 22)
- Re: ARIN whois Dan Hollis (Nov 22)
- Re: ARIN whois Patrick Evans (Nov 22)
- Re: ARIN whois Steve Dispensa (Nov 22)
- RE: ARIN whois Ehud Gavron (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois Patrick Evans (Nov 23)
- RE: ARIN whois Roeland M.J. Meyer (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois J.D. Falk (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois Derek J. Balling (Nov 23)
- Re: ARIN whois J.D. Falk (Nov 23)