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Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?)
From: Dirk Harms-Merbitz <dirk () power net>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:56:29 -0700
You gotta be kidding. When was the last time that you talked to a sales engineer? Most of those (generalizing here, so obviously there are exceptions) aren't any good at engineering but have learned the buzzwords. There is a reason why they aren't doing systems work. People just come in all shapes. Some honest some not. Doesn't matter what proffession or title. Sales people generally don't really know enough to lie even when they do. Dirk On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 11:24:36AM -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
I think that most of us act as ethically as management permits. There's a reason why vendors bring an "engineer" along on sales calls; customers have a very solid understanding that nobody else (sales, marketing, etc) can be trusted. That's not to say every "engineer" is without ulterior motives, but they're virtually guaranteed to be the most ethical people you'll meet at any company. What happens when a civil engineer refuses to certify a bridge is safe? What happens when a network engineer refuses to certify a network will work? Why is there a difference, and what can we do about it? Stephen "Engineer" Sprunk Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE#3723 Network Consulting Engineer Cisco NSA Dallas, Texas, USA e-mail:ssprunk () cisco com Pager: +1 800 365-4578 Empowering the Internet Generation ----- Original Message ----- From: J.D. Falk To: Vadim Antonov Cc: david () brouda com ; nanog () merit edu Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:48 Subject: Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) On 08/22/99, Vadim Antonov <avg () kotovnik com> wrote:David Brouda <david () brouda com> wrote:Now, I have mentioned three key words: engineer, professional, andethics.As a student of engineering, I believe that these three words go hand-in-hand.The facts that somebody is being professional, educated and ethical doesnotguarantee that he has any idea of what he is doing. The catch is that a clueless person is generally unware that he's clueless, so he can be quite eithcal and professional in what he thinks he is doing. Watch the hordes of ATM zealots - many of them with very impressive credentials. Does not make their "contribution" any more worthwhile.Yeah, but at least they have a code of ethics. Where'd ours go? ---------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk () cybernothing org> =========--------- | OKINA MAKETSU IPPAI NO UISUKI, ONEGAI SHIMASU! | ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========----
Current thread:
- "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) David Brouda (Aug 22)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Sean Donelan (Aug 22)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Bryan Bradsby (Aug 22)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Woody Weaver (Aug 22)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Bryan Bradsby (Aug 22)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Vadim Antonov (Aug 22)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) J.D. Falk (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Stephen Sprunk (Aug 23)
- RE: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Daniel Golding (Aug 23)
- RE: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Darin Divinia (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Walter L (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) J.D. Falk (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Dirk Harms-Merbitz (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Alex P. Rudnev (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Patrick Greenwell (Aug 23)
- Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) Walter L (Aug 24)