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Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again?
From: Kim Hubbard <kimh () arin net>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:58:35 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 10:40:03AM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:On Wed, May 27, 1998 at 08:08:57PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: [ Karl asks a bunch of cogent questions and then scares the shit out of me by following up with: ][This is a request as an ARIN AC member, who has tried to get a lot of these kinds of questions answered from officers and trustees of ARIN]Would it be out of line for me to ask why you are having so much difficulty _getting_ answers to these questions that you need to ask them here? This whole ARIN thing is starting to smell somewhat like the InterNIC does...ARIN has asserted that individual members (and in fact individual AC members) don't have a right to have these types of questions answered.
ARIN has NEVER asserted that members or individuals have no right to have these types of questions answered. To my knowledge, neither Karl nor anyone else that I can think of, has asked ARIN any questions regarding it's involvement in Sprint's decision to filter prefixes. If someone is asking now, the answer is that the registries (ARIN didn't even exist at the time Sprint began filtering) had no involvement other than to request that Sprint lower their filters from a /18 to a /19. Kim Hubbard ARIN
It is my counter-assertion that IF ARIN is going to act as a custodian of an essential facility (which it is), in the public interest (which is currently open and in debate), that not only do the AC and membership have these rights, but the general public has the right to full transparency within ARIN's operation. IMHO the network operators within ARIN's "sphere of influence" should consider "waking up" and making their opinions known about this and related sets of issues having to do with IPv4 allocation. If there is a set of "affected organizations" which should be fully aware of and involved in this, its the NANOG group. Two places to do so are "arin-members () arin net", and "arin-council () arin net", which are the mailing lists for the membership and AC, respectively. Those who find themselves embargoed from posting to either are welcome to ask me to forward material for them; as both an AC member, and an ARIN member, I have the right to post to both. The only way the questions will be resolved is if the debate is deemed important by those who are impacted by ARIN - which is, virtually without exception, an intersecting set within the NANOG community. It would also be a good idea to read the ARIN bylaws (available on their web site) and note carefully the lack of any real, functional oversight by the membership (ie: the membership cannot recall an AC member, a board member, or a corporate officer, either directly or indirectly). Then surf over to the CIX web site and read THEIR bylaws. Compare the two, and draw your own conclusions. Both are, by the way, 501c(6) organizations. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl () MCS Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost
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- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again?, (continued)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Avi Freedman (May 31)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Michael Dillon (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Avi Freedman (May 30)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Patrick W. Gilmore (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? John Golovich (May 29)
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- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? John Golovich (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Bradley Dunn (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Pete Ashdown (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Patrick W. Gilmore (May 29)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Kim Hubbard (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Kim Hubbard (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Michael Dillon (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Dean Robb (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Karl Denninger (May 28)
- Re: Why does Sprint have address filters again? Michael Dillon (May 28)