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Re: Reporting Little Blue Men
From: Phil Howard <phil () charon milepost com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:59:55 -0600 (CST)
Dave Siegel writes...
Every time a UCE is delivered to my server, someone out there has stolen resources from me. Resources *are* money. Everytime a network is smurfed, network resources have been stolen.
And just because you have not secured against it doesn't mean it is any less of a theft. Case law already exists that holds that a theft is still a theft even if the house was unlocked. The ordinary person would not assume it to be right to take something just because it happens to be easy to do so. Spam is probably more equivalent to shoplifting than it is to burglary; just as illegal.
Relays aren't the only problem. The problem is that SPAM is an acceptable form of advertising in the eyes of the US Government (and others). Much of the spam we receive comes from hotmail, msn, ATT worldnet dialups, etc. It's not sent through a relay, but sent through the original dynamically assigned IP. Spam software gets smarter all the time.
And all of it through the SMTP server for that dialup? Wow! It must be horrendously clogged up.
As it's been pointed out several times, including the last NANOG, there are no technical means available to eliminate SPAM, only reduce it.
A vision hit me of that little game with the heads popping up at random and the kid with the big plastic hammer pounding them back down. -- Phil Howard | eat2this () no35ads5 net crash741 () no44ads3 com a7b1c7d3 () no2where org phil | eat14me3 () anyplace com stop3it4 () anyplace net stop9034 () dumbads3 com at | stop3270 () spammer1 com eat85me0 () dumbads1 net ads1suck () dumbads4 edu milepost | eat97me0 () noplace7 net stop9it7 () dumbads3 org no95ads8 () nowhere2 com dot | no4spam4 () noplace4 edu w3x8y7z2 () s2p5a6m6 edu stop8157 () anyplace edu com | stop4ads () no01ads9 com eat4this () no4where org no32ads6 () lame1ads net
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- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men, (continued)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dean Anderson (Jan 20)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Martin Hannigan (Jan 20)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men M. David Leonard (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Jordyn A. Buchanan (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dave Siegel (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dean Anderson (Jan 21)
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- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men ^Faust^ (Jan 21)
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- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men NetSurfer (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Dean Anderson (Jan 20)
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- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Gary E. Miller (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Eric Wieling (Jan 21)
- Re: Reporting Little Blue Men Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 21)