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Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse
From: "Craig A. Huegen" <c-huegen () quad quadrunner com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:47:02 -0700 (PDT)
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Bob Metcalfe wrote: ==>Not to get back at Mr. Huegen, but he should note that Cisco is not "cisco" ==>anymore. Gotcha! Take a look at the logo sometime. In fact, at the time, it created quite a stir within the company, and a lot of long-time employees still use cisco... ==>By the way, Mr. Huegen, the well-known fact that the Internet offers no ==>service guarantees has not, as you've written, escaped me. This well-known ==>fact is one of those we are working to FIX. My point, as I've reflected in private e-mail to you, is that you will never get this without losing value in this network. The Internet is based on sharing information. The minute you begin to charge for each and every little piece of data someone requests from you, the value is lost. When you have a large 'cloud' of providers, you can never guarantee end-to-end connectivity unless one of two things happens: 1. One company buys it all (I don't see this happening), and then the government gets hold of it and 'regulates' it. or 2. You massively change the price structures and force providers to demand money from other providers on a peer level. This is bad, because a LOT of the current structure relies on bi-lateral route peering agreements that are free. Each provider giving a bit to help other providers out. You insert money into there, and a lot of providers won't have incentives to establish agreements for better paths. ==>Also, tell us, what was the "original purpose" of the Internet? Not that ==>it matters much. Now, now, Bob, it really does matter much here. You see, the 'original purpose' of the internet was for research, and fostered a spirit of cooperation between the entities involved. This spirit of cooperation is what has kept this network alive. Insert more money into the equation, and as we've seen since the transition from NSF support, you begin to lose that cooperation in favor of competition, or just plain isolation. /cah - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Current thread:
- InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Bob Metcalfe (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Craig A. Huegen (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Michael Dillon (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Perry E. Metzger (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Per Gregers Bilse (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Barry Shein (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Ehud Gavron (Jul 09)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Sean Doran (Jul 09)
- Re: InfoWorld Column on Netcom-Cisco Ampersand Collapse Craig A. Huegen (Jul 09)