RE: NANOG

["David C. Kovar" <kovar () NDA COM>]

  We have a business plan in place for doing exactly this, and a lot more.
It's pretty simple to do, with the right setup.

  We have no intention of sellings ads on the page, though.

-David

> This is a good point. If there were a list somewhere which collated all 
> of the trouble reports from all of the ISP's then some entrepreneur could 
> set up an Internet traffic report WWW site and make all the mass of 
> trouble reports palatable for end users, including stories about ladies 
> in Lincolns. 
>
> This entrepreneur could get rich selling ads on their WWW site and 
> everyone would know what is going on.
>
> > Now, NANOG -- not affiliated with anybody, you say, not even the Internet
> > Society.  OK, I stand corrected.  So, if not ISOC, who are IEPG and NANOG?
> > Do IEPG and NANOG have anything to do with one another?  By the way, is
> > IETF not ISOC too?  See www.isoc.org.
>
> Even though I know how all this came about and how groups like NANOG 
> operate (what group!) I still don't believe it when people say that NANOG 
> doesn't set policy and NANOG is not affiliated with anybody. The fact is 
> that NANOG appears to set policy and NANOG appears to be affiliated with 
> somebody and that appearance is what counts until NANOG pipes up and 
> states what their official policy and official affiliations are.
>
> > Settlements, "wrong on the face?"  Or are you just too busy busy busy
> > defensive to argue?
>
> Settlements are contrary to NANOG policy. It is also contrary to NANOG 
> policy to engage in long drawn out debates about things which have 
> already been decided, like "settlements are wrong". The policy is 
> unwritten and to a certain extent, non-verbal, but it is policy nevertheless.
>
> > So, you say, increasing Internet diameters (hops) are only of concern to
> > whiners like me?  There are no whiners LIKE me.  I am THE whiner.  And hops
> > ARE a first class problem, Jerry, or are you clueless about how
> > store-and-forward packet switching actually really works?
>
> I have had to explain to ISP's how to do email relaying so that their 
> customers can get email back and forth from fringe locations. It's 
> usually an asymmetrical problem so it shows up when a person can receive 
> email but cannot send a reply.
>
> BTW, the trick is to address it like this joe%farawayplace.com () majorhub com
>
>
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