Re Comments? Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Shannon McElyea <shannonm () gmail com>
Date: Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Re Comments? Re New York Times defends hiring extreme
climate denier: 'millions agree with him'
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>



Dave,

There are no citations for Rob’s claims except for one about a cold snap.

Taking one random claim that ‘sea level rise is tiny’ here are some
citations to the contrary:

Sea level rise is not ‘tiny’  Sea levels are rising and escalating swiftly:

"Is sea level rising? Yes, sea level is rising at an increasing rate.” From
NOAA, a ‘tiny’ scientific organization

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

“Stunning Acceleration of Sea Level Rise” - you can CLICK ON coastal areas
where sea levels are rising

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-reveals-acceleration-of-sea-level-rise-20055

Here are some flood days:

<http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/2_22_16_John_CC_NuisanceFlooding_USFloodDays_decades_1050_718_s_c1_c_c.jpg>



Effects of Climate Change

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/effects-of-climate-change-irreversible-un-panel-warns-in-report/2014/11/01/2d49aeec-6142-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html?utm_term=.6b84675f5248

On May 30, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:




Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Rob McEwen <rob () invaluement com>
*Date:* April 23, 2017 at 3:55:15 PM EDT
*To:* dave () farber net, ip <ip () listbox com>
*Subject:* *Re: [IP] Re Comments? Re New York Times defends hiring extreme
climate denier: 'millions agree with him'*

Climate change deniers, of course, have very little data on their side.


First, nobody denies that the climate does change. It has been doing so for
all of recorded history, and beyond--long before humans spewed any (or very
much) CO2. (mostly due to long-term cyclical sun cycles). Nobody denies
that.

The attempted changing of the term "global warming" to "climate change" is
a "bait n switch" - and then the assumption that someone who:

(A) doesn't believe that the release of CO2 by mankind has caused any
statistically significant rise in global warming... and that there are
OTHER explanations for this that make more sense (such as long-term
cyclical sun cycles)

therefore MUST ALSO believe:

(B) that the climate doesn't ever change

The idea that A must equal B... is insulting and childish. The real scandal
here is the attempted "moving of the goalposts" - by switching "global
warming" to "climate change".

In fact, a significant amount of climate change came BEFORE mankind spewed
very much CO2.

For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Frost_of_1683–84

For various years - the Thames river froze over - in 1683–84 it froze over
to a depth of over 1 foot thick ice... THEN... over the centuries since
then - a whole lot of global warming happened SINCE then, yet BEFORE that
point where humans spewed any statistically significant amount of CO2 in
the atmosphere.

Then there is that pesky problem where CLIMATEGATE revealed that the
scientists at the most prestigious institution in Europe for studying
global warming - had internal emails revealed them admitting that the
Medieval Warming Period was warmer than anything we've seen in modern
times. They then discussed ways that they could hide that.

Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth tried to downplay the Medieval Warming Period
as more mild - but the the ONE scientist whose data Inconvenient Truth was
based on - LOST all of his data. Funny how this lost data - was made out to
be such a big deal in the news media - because if all of this data really
is "peer reviewed", shouldn't that have not even mattered? Hmmmmm?

Then, more recently, a lowly blogger dug into the raw data of the ground
sensor data for recent years... he just looked at THEIR published data...
and found that very very creative algorithms were being applied to the data
to FORCE it to show global warming - where their raw data (BEFORE applying
those algorithms) showed ZERO global warming in the past 15. (just as the
satellite data shows no significant warming trend for the past 15 years
either)

Of course, whenever there is an unusual seasonal/regional warmth due to
ocean current cycles (El Ni·ño, etc), it gets (mistakenly!) attributed to
global warming. But when the Great Lakes recently froze over, that got
attributed to a one-time "arctic blast". (notice a pattern here?)

Finally, the rate of sea level rise is continuing to rise at the TINY rate
of about 3-4 millimeters per year with ZERO sign of acceleration. (yet year
after year, we keep seeing new charts and graphs predicting an acute
acceleration in the rate of sea level rising, followed by more failed
predictions when that continues to NOT happen)

In fact, Global Warming "science" (which is really pseudoscience) is
littered with failed predictions and fudged data. That its proponents also
want to shut down all debate/discussion about it and declare is as "settled
science" - shows that THEY are the ones who believe in THEIR version of
religious dogma much more so that the scientific method.

Meanwhile, the "natural" temperature of outer space is -455 degrees F. The
ONLY reason we're not all frozen at -455 degrees F is due to this ball of
fire 8 light minutes from us, that is so massively large that 1.3 millions
earths could fit inside of it. To think that tiny changes to such tiny
portions of the trace gas C02 (measured in "parts per million"!) could
impact climate more so than long-term cyclical sun cycles - is to think
that the wind produced from the wings of a nearby fly (or something
similarly silly/insignificant) is going to make more of a difference to
your comfort as you sit by a camp fire in freezing weather - than, for
example, stirring around the logs in that fire.

-- 
Rob McEwen


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