Re Encryption Apps Help White House Staffers Leak--and Maybe Break the Law

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Ross Stapleton-Gray <ross.stapletongray () gmail com>
Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Re Encryption Apps Help White House Staffers Leak--and
Maybe Break the Law
To: DAVID FARBER <dave () farber net>, <touch () isi edu>


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Joe Touch <touch () isi edu> wrote:

IANAL, but AFIAR:

A lie would be illegal when it causes harm, e.g.:

    - defamation

    - libel/slander

    - creating "clear and present danger", e.g, falsely shouting "fire" in
a crowded theater

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but that ought to suffice to
disprove the claim that "lie" and "illegal" are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, but the claim is that lies are being told AND that leaks are occurring
(and presumably the claim is also that what's being leaked are ALL lies).
I would take the definition of a leak to be that it's an unauthorized
release of *factual* information.  If, for example, you know that the
Secretary of State punched the Secretary of Health and Human Services, you
would be leaking it if, as a staff member, you were under orders not to
disclose any discord in the Cabinet. If you made something up, and told it
to a reporter, it would absolutely be a lie, but it feels like it would be
something other than a leak... it wasn't something you disclosed that was
factual, yet not intended for an outside audience.

When I read the original post I was reminded of "kettle logic:"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettle_logic

And this whole situation reminds me a lof ot Christopher "Thank You For
Smoking" Buckley's less famous "The White House Mess," which is still an
amusing read, though far less zany than actual events are turning out to be.

Ross

Ross Stapleton-Gray, Ph.D.
Stapleton-Gray & Associates, Inc.
Albany, CA



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