Re Encryption Apps Help White House Staffers Leak--and Maybe Break the Law

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Joe Touch <touch () isi edu>
> Date: February 16, 2017 at 5:49:17 PM EST
> To: dave () farber net, ip <ip () listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re Encryption Apps Help White House Staffers Leak--and Maybe Break the Law
>
> IANAL, but AFIAR:
>
> A lie would be illegal when it causes harm, e.g.:
>
>     - defamation
>
>     - libel/slander
>
>     - creating "clear and present danger", e.g, falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded theater
>
> I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but that ought to suffice to disprove the claim that "lie" and "illegal" 
> are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Joe
>
> > On 2/15/2017 11:28 AM, Dave Farber wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
> > > Date: February 15, 2017 at 1:57:45 PM EST
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Encryption Apps Help White House Staffers Leak--and Maybe Break the Law
> > >
> > > Interestingly, Trump is claiming -- in various tweets -- that:
> > >
> > >    1. The leaks are illegal.
> > >    2. The leaks are lies.
> > >
> > > These cannot both be true simultaneously.  If I make up random things
> > > like "a dozen parakeets flew out of Pence's nose this morning" then
> > > that's clearly a lie -- but it's not illegal.
> > >
> > > ---rsk
> >
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