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New travel document requirements for USA citizens
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:01:50 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Krishna Kumar <kmkumar () earthling net> Date: February 6, 2008 2:49:26 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] New travel document requirements for USA citizens for IP, if you wish: I also find it suspicious that State announced new passport fees ($100)starting on the same day that DHS required additional border documentation.
For the average traveller, I would rather take a passport on a trip to Canada than a birth certificate -- it a real pain to get a new copy of a birth certificate. I think there are two issues here:1) New border requirements: in my very humble view, this is an initiative
to push northern border states to get onto the REAL-ID bandwagon. My understanding of REAL-ID is that the database links and citizenshipdocumentation would be sufficient to cross the border. State is supposed
to issue "Passport" cards (cost -$45) but not until next summer. 2) APIS pre-flight clearances: again, my humble view is that this is anattempt by DHS to move away from the Visa Waiver Program model for friendly
countries, ad instead go to an Australian model. Visitors to Australiadon't get a Visa Waiver, they get an electronic visa that is issued after a
"security" check. One other point to raise here: convenience. Australia lets a LOT of countries participate in their program -- more than the relativelyrestricted visa waiver program. If we go to an Australian model, can we
open it up to countries like Poland, Taiwan, Greece, Turkey, etc?Also, how the hell does a passport cost $100. If the passport card will cost $45, then $55 of the passport fee is for the physical passport -- and
the rest is the back-office expenses. I say if DHS requires them, then they get to subsidize them -- let them cost $15.
________________________________________ From: eekid () aol com [eekid () aol com] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:15 PM To: dfarber () cs cmu edu; David Farber Subject: New travel document requirements for USA citizens http://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001371.html"Under new regulations and procedures announced to take effect over the next month, citizens of the USA will, for the first time, be required toobtain USA government permission in order to return home to their owncountry from abroad -- from anywhere else in the world, by air or sea orland.""One might argue that a passport is merely a travel document, not a form of permission. But that would be wrong. Because nothing in the law or theregulations for passportžssuance<http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20071800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-22461.htm >(which were revised in November 2007), guarantees anyone a right to a passport, it is in effect a travel permit, issued at the government'sdiscretion. The individualized, per-flight, advance "clearance" message isquite unambiguously a permission-to-travel requirement.""As I had expected<http://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001159.html> , the passport card will contain a "vicinity" RFID chip, i.e. a chip that can beread at longer range than the "proximity" chip in "RFID passports." ________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOLMail<http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 >!------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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