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Re: NYT article on the (ever-more-sophitsticated) bot wars
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:53 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Tony Lauck <tlauck () madriver com> Date: December 9, 2008 12:07:25 PM EST To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] Re: NYT article on the (ever-more-sophitsticated) bot wars
There is an simple legal change that could be made that would lead to an improved cybersecurity situation:
1. Owners of networked computers would be held legally responsible for all activities performed by their computers, including those caused by viruses and BOTs. They would be responsible if their computers sent information that caused harm. They would also be responsible if their computers took local action on the basis of bogus information that they received. They would be responsible, period.
2. Computer software and hardware vendors would not be able to disclaim liability for security bugs. They would share responsibility with their customers for the effects of these bugs.
Eventually, laws like these are going be passed, just as laws require swimming pools to be secured with locked gates and fences. It may be a bit early for such draconian simplicity, but it would be a good idea for the industry to think about what they would do were such laws to pass.
Tony Lauck https://www.aglauck.com David Farber wrote:
I agree djf Begin forwarded message: From: Tom Van Vleck <thvv-post () multicians org> Date: December 8, 2008 2:06:47 PM EST To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] NYT article on the (ever-more-sophitsticated) bot warsJohn Markoff's article on the "cybersecruity problem" says "Internet security is broken, and nobody seems to know quite how to fix it." We know how to fix it. We chose not to fix it in the past. Now the fix will be expensive and require replacement of things we bought that don't work, and cannot be fixed. If we can't afford the fix now, it will cost more later. We would rather rely on magical thinking. If we ignore the problems of security maybe the bad guys won't notice us. We rely on magical thinking when we build insecure systems using inadequate tools and practices, connect them with insecure protocols, do not administer them at all, and then expect that they will do things they are not designed to do. It's like filling our gas tanks with water and then complaining that the car doesn't run. And when someone suggests gasoline, saying, "oh, but this is much cheaper." Commercial antivirus is magical thinking similar to current airline security. If the virus goes through a security checkpoint, gives its real name, and if that name is on our list of bad guys, it will be stopped. Or we can try to cheat Turing and decide whether a program will do something bad in the future. -- VanVleck.SysAdmin ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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