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Re: NYT article on the (ever-more-sophitsticated) bot wars


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:38:53 -0500



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From: Tony Lauck <tlauck () madriver com>
Date: December 9, 2008 12:07:25 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: NYT article on the (ever-more-sophitsticated) bot wars

There is an simple legal change that could be made that would lead to an improved cybersecurity situation:

1. Owners of networked computers would be held legally responsible for all activities performed by their computers, including those caused by viruses and BOTs. They would be responsible if their computers sent information that caused harm. They would also be responsible if their computers took local action on the basis of bogus information that they received. They would be responsible, period.

2. Computer software and hardware vendors would not be able to disclaim liability for security bugs. They would share responsibility with their customers for the effects of these bugs.

Eventually, laws like these are going be passed, just as laws require swimming pools to be secured with locked gates and fences. It may be a bit early for such draconian simplicity, but it would be a good idea for the industry to think about what they would do were such laws to pass.

Tony Lauck
https://www.aglauck.com



David Farber wrote:
I agree djf
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From: Tom Van Vleck <thvv-post () multicians org>
Date: December 8, 2008 2:06:47 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] NYT article on the (ever-more-sophitsticated) bot wars
John Markoff's article on the "cybersecruity problem" says
"Internet security is broken, and nobody seems to know quite
how to fix it."
We know how to fix it.  We chose not to fix it in the past.
Now the fix will be expensive and require replacement of
things we bought that don't work, and cannot be fixed.
If we can't afford the fix now, it will cost more later.
We would rather rely on magical thinking.  If we ignore the
problems of security maybe the bad guys won't notice us.
We rely on magical thinking when we build insecure systems
using inadequate tools and practices, connect them with
insecure protocols, do not administer them at all, and then
expect that they will do things they are not designed to do.
It's like filling our gas tanks with water and then
complaining that the car doesn't run. And when someone
suggests gasoline, saying, "oh, but this is much cheaper."
Commercial antivirus is magical thinking similar to current
airline security.  If the virus goes through a security
checkpoint, gives its real name, and if that name is on our
list of bad guys, it will be stopped.  Or we can try to
cheat Turing and decide whether a program will do something
bad in the future.
-- VanVleck.SysAdmin
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