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Re: France Announces Massive Internet Surveillance by ISPs
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:48:09 -0800
________________________________________ From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu [Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:19 AM To: David Farber Cc: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: Re: [IP] France Announces Massive Internet Surveillance by ISPs On Monday, November 26, 2007 9:36 PM, Steven Heath said:
If the comparison was on the centralising of power or absolutism under Louis XIV and the power held by Cardinal Richelieu and then Cardinal Mazarin then it would actually be related to the county he is railing on about. Not only that but think near perfect alignment to the focus of his post, the control of the state outside of the existing laws and system. If one is going to talk about the laws and events in another country one should at least use examples that are from that country, and not its 'arch enemy' for hundreds of years.
On the other hand, the fact that he used British examples (which are probably a bit more well-known in the US due to some shared ancient history), and that you were able to come up with corresponding French examples indicates something: The fact that *both* England and France have had these issues, and currently the US seems to be heading in the same direction (National Security Letters, the NSA data-hoovering, suspension of habeus corpus for anybody the President deems an "enemy of the state^W^W^Wcombatant", kangaroo military courts), it's fairly safe to conclude that *any* country that implements a de-facto court "operating outside the normal bounds of the conventional legal system" (as Lauren phrased it) is destined to soon go down the tubes.
If one is going to talk about the laws and events in another country one should at least use examples that are from that country, and not its 'arch enemy' for hundreds of years.
If nothing else, the fact that the centuries-hated British had their Star Chamber debacle would seem to be a good reason for the French *not* to do it, just so they can gloat that they aren't as stupid as those guys across the Channel. ;) ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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