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Re: On Neutral Networks, settlements and freeconference
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:05:23 -0400
I agree except .. djf Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com> Date: March 19, 2007 6:39:36 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: Re: [IP] On Neutral Networks, settlements and freeconference Dave, Brad's discussion about non-neutrality in the public switched telephone network is technically accurate, but given that major changes in that model are likely to be s-l-o-w in coming -- and for all we know might make things even worse -- we need to concentrate on the current situation -- the blocking of numbers and services by the cell carriers. Remember, 99+% of telephone users don't have a clue about telco termination fees and cross-subsidies (other than verbiage buried in bill inserts that are rarely read), just as they're oblivious to the complexities of Internet exchange points and peering. Rather, they expect phone calls, and Internet connections, to just work. If the cell carriers don't like the current termination situation, they have every right to complain to the FCC -- and no doubt they'll get a better hearing and a more sympathetic ear than ordinary consumers ever do. But for the carriers to simply cut off access to legal services because they don't like the current economics is utterly unacceptable and cannot be permitted to stand. The very mindset that leads to such outrageous actions is what causes many observers -- including myself -- to draw comparisonswith broad network neutrality concerns. [ it is a mistake to over generalize . Solve the immediate problem. Let the FCC show they can stop such actions and the need for other paths diminishes djf ]
--Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, IOIC - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net Founder, CIFIP - California Initiative For Internet Privacy - http://www.cifip.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com - - -
Begin forwarded message: From: Brad Templeton <btm () templetons com> Date: March 19, 2007 5:51:32 PM EDT To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Cc: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: On Neutral Networks, settlements and freeconference I have been surprised to see comparisons of the issues surrounding freeconference.com and network neutrality. In fact, I feel one key issue makes the issues at deep odds.
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