Re: Move over FISA Oversight

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn [mailto:lynn () ecgincc com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:29 AM
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Move over FISA Oversight

If they were breaking the law, why haven't they been prosecuted? or
stopped? Are they above the law? above the Constitution? I wish someone
could explain this so I can understand.

Lynn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Serge Egelman [mailto:egelman () cs cmu edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Move over FISA Oversight
>
>
>
> One question that I haven't seen anyone in the media ask: What does this
> new law allow them to do that they haven't *already* been doing?  Since
> some in the Bush Administration have said this law is needed to legalize
> some of their surveillance programs, besides being a tacit admission to
> breaking the law, this would mean that they've already been doing some
> (or many) of the things that have just been legalized.
>
> serge
>
> Dave Farber wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Malin, Bradley A [mailto:b.malin () Vanderbilt Edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:05 AM
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Subject: Move over FISA Oversight
> >
> > Sure, this is main stream news, but this law will have an incredible
> > amount of influence on the collection and use of U.S. communications
> > data (calls, emails, etc.).  This law affects the intelligence
> > community's ability to monitor communications with foreigners that are
> > overseas, but I wonder when "probable cause" will allow them to sniff
> > information that is in the U.S.  For instance, if there is evidence to
> > suggest that "foreigners" have adopted technology to use U.S. IP
> > addresses (despite the fact that there are many legitimate reasons for
> > U.S. citizens using such technology when abroad), will they be able to
> > intercept and study such communications?
> >
> > The new law is set to expire after 6 months, but what about cases in
> > which "sufficient evidence" (interpret that as you may) has been
> > gathered?  Will they be able to continue monitoring without judicial
> > oversight?  What will happen to the data that is gathered over the next
> > six months?  Can that be analyzed after the six month window?  Are we
> > creating a block of time in which the data lives in the Wild West?
> >
> > Just some thoughts to brighten our morning,
> >
> > -brad
> >
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/07/terrorist.surveillance.ap/index.h
> > tml
> >
> > New law changes U.S. eavesdropping rules
> >
> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- For the first time in nearly four decades, a senior
> > intelligence official -- not a secretive federal court -- will have a
> > decisive voice in whether Americans' communications can be monitored
> > when they talk to foreigners overseas.
> >
> > The shift came over the weekend as Congress hustled through changes to
> > the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as FISA.
> >
> > The bill provides new powers to the National Security Agency to monitor
> > communications that enter the United States and involve foreigners who
> > are the subjects of a national security investigation.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
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